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Hi guys, again!

I'm trying now a new experience. Grow a autoflowering seed(Auto Cheese) in a pot but outside, so no artificial lightning and no extra ventilation, just the breeze and the sun.

Now that the weather will start to change I think is a good time to try because will provide the proper lightning and ventilation that it needs to grow plus the water of the rain now I think is beneficial for the plant as well.

At the moment the plant is at Day 16 since the seed was in contact with water to germinate. Now I'm saving the plant inside the tent with the same conditions of light, temperature and humidity as my hydroponic one. After some weeks, basically when the rain slow down, I will put the plant outside.

Didn't gave any nutrients yet and dunno exactly the best way to do it and which ones.

I count w/ your help to help me with all that.

Medium:

Soil

Size of Grow Area and number of plants:

Outside

Lighting:

Sun

Extraction:

Wind

Pot Sizes:

Now it's inside a small pot but after i want to transplant it to a 5,5L pot.

Do you think it's enough for the whole process?

Nutrients:

Try-pack Indoor by BioBizz

Mills CalMag

Vitalink pH Up/Down Easy 25% Essentials

Other Equipment:

PH meter - Milwaukee PH600AQ Digital pH Pen

EC meter - Milwaukee CD611 Digital Conductivity Pen

Plan for the grow:

I'm planning to do some topping and LST. This one cause will be outside I think that I will not do SCROG.

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IF its an auto going out side mate, just dig a hole and fill it with good soil and plant ti. Top her once, but thats it, she will be a huge plant! 

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@macky It's outside but I live in an apartment so I don't have soil to plant outside, so needs to be in a pot. I dunno if it's the same thing but I believe not.

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Today I will buy a bigger pot to transplant these baby, but looks like a good evolution.

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@bs_monteiro welcome, u are off to a great start, plant looks really healthy👍

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@lovetoflyfish Thank you Fish. Hope everything will go well.

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Bit too soon mate, the plant doesnt look ready for transplant yet. Let the stem get a little thicker and stronger, there is still plenty of room in that pot for roots. Id say 5 days at least before transplanting her. 

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@macky I had read that auto plants after germination should be transplanted already to their final pots(12L), and transplanting it several times is bad for them. Do you think that is not the best thing to do?

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Day 21

 

Today, after the conversation with Macky at James post I decided to top my plant.

A little accident happen. Unfortunately I cut a little bit of the leaf. 🙁

Do you think it will be very bad for the plant?

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@bs_monteiro that little bit of fan leaf damage won’t set her back any mate. She will start sprouting growth from the 2 top nodes very soon. Relax and enjoy your plant. She is going to be fine mate, these ladies are a lot tougher than you think. 

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@bs_monteiro ya the leaf will be fine man. I split a plant in half last year... still flowered lol. They are thought little units man.....remember they are a weed....some of the toughest in the world lol

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Day 22

 

The earth was already dry so I decided to transplant it today. Bought a 14L pot and done it. Bought as well Perlite and added to the soil.

When I watered with 6,5 pH water, I measured the runoff and the pH was on 5,8 and the EC was 8,3 mS/cm2. Very very high. Should I keep adding water till the EC drops till 1 or I take a risk of overwatering?

 

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@bs_monteiro I would wait given that it is soil....see how the plant reacts after it settles in from the transplant. I've never seen anyone check EC out of soil and really have no experience with the EC part BUT overwatering will be worse in the long run I think. Is the soil regular soil...or is it a super soil?

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@colacody Do you plant in soil? I don’t know if it’s super soil.

It’s this one: https://portal.siro.pt/pt/Store/Product?ref=SR1513000111&codeCat=port_substratos_hobby_especificos 

It’s written in portuguese but it’s organic biologic soil. 

I tried to translate the composition:

Composition: Siro Agro 1 (Pine bark humus - certified by RAL), Sphagnum blonde peat, Siro Agro 2 (matured horse manure) and organic biological fertilizer of animal origin.

Physico-chemical characteristics
pH in CaCl2: 5.0-6.0
Conductivity: 150-200 µs / cm
Granulometry 0-15mm
Organic Matter> 60%

Biological fertilization:
NPK 9-2-2 - 4 kg / m3
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  • @bs_monteiro that could be why the EC is high. If you can, test the PH level of the soil. It could be already balanced and just require water (it shows a ph of 5-6). I don't know what your water is like but if the soil is already fertilized which it looks like it is then you won't need to feed it with fertilizer for a while. And this could be the reason for the high reading....and everytime you water with soil....it will drain a small amount of the nutrients out....slowly lowering the EC. So I think it's safe to say see how the plant does for the next week or so. 
  • Yes I also grow in soil lol....forgot to answer that haha
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@colacody but should I give double the size of the pot in water? For example 14L pot, 28L of pHed water? Or is it too much?

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@bs_monteiro no not right now. Water only as usual. If it starts to show signs of nutrient toxicity the  we can do a flush.....but that is a premade soil....so you don't want to flush all that goodness out

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One week after watering and the soil is still humid when I stick a finger in it. The top layer is dry. I don't know if it's because of the lack of light but the plant looks a little bit too stretched. What do you think about those things?

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I think this one is having a slow progress. I just moved it outside to check how she reacts. Today is not so warm so might be a good day to try.

The lower leaves felt and I don't know why.

The soil is still humid and I'm afraid of creating root rot due to lower absorption of water or something like that. I watered the plant at 27th of May.

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I don't know what's happening but yesterday, after I moved the plant outside the tip of the leaves started looking like a burn. What do you think it might be?

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I watered yesterday with 7L of water, no nuts, and today don't look better. The EC in the end of watering dropped from 1,7 to 0,7mS/cm2. The pH is at 6,2.

What do you think it might be?

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@bs_monteiro from the pictures and your description it looks like the plant is trying to adjust to its new environment. It’s going to take a few days to get there and the damage on the lower leaf probably won’t go away but the damage should stabilize and stop getting worse. There wasn’t a lot of light spilling out of your tent onto these plants and they need time to adjust to a higher light level and other environmental changes.

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@monkeydo Oh ok. I was afraid that it could die because lost pretty much all the leaves. Don't you think that it's smaller than it should be at this time of life?

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@bs_monteiro I would agree, it could be larger but she has done the best she can with what she was given. Although we call them nutritients and feed, what the plants actually eats is made from the light striking the leaves. You’ve kept them alive but they haven’t been eating full meals because of the lack of bright light. The plants will need adjusting now but it’s your job to pamper her until she gets comfortable. With the EC numbers you gave it appears that your girl is hungry. I would expect this with the sudden increase in light she has available. The general recommendation is to increase the input EC by 0.2 and see how she responds. I’m not a soil grower in cannabis or an outside grower for that matter so ima tag @templegrower to set you on track brother.

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Hey there,

So that looks like a bit of nutrient burn to me. I had something that looked just like that a couple grows back.. my soil was way too hot for the little ladies so they had some troubles in the beginning, but ended up growing out of it. In your case, I think it's good that you've flushed - 8.1 EC is like fire lol. I don't measure my EC as I run in a pre-mixed pre-fortified supersoil, but I think you wanna shoot for around 1.2-1.5ish in a regular soil + nutes regimen...in your case, since the soil does have some nutrients already built in, I would start with a reduced amount.. maybe 1/4 strength with every 1/3 irrigations and go from there. You can always add in more of the plant starts looking hungry, but you definitely don't want to over do it.

Nute burn in autos

That said, it might be an issue in the root zone, something messing with the uptake, which is very difficult to nail down.. but I probably think the soil was just too hot for them. Probably why it's stunted as well - after 5 weeks they should definitely be bigger/bushier than that (unless you have a legit 100% Ruderalis.. but that's not likely. 😉).

As for how much to water, that's always a tough one.. It depends on your local temps/humidity, size of the plant, type of pot, etc.. looking at your plant, I doubt the roots are fully filling the whole pot yet, so it's not going to be able to absorb that much wate yet.. again less is more I think. It's easier to add more water if you need than to try and extract it out of the soil, lol. If there are no roots in the soil, and that soil becomes saturated with water, you can run into issues like unintentionally concentrating salts when the water does evaporate (salts dissolve in water, water evaporates and leaves salts behind in soil, problems arise), promoting diseases, as well as just wasting water.

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Thank you guys. I will try my best to solve the problem.

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I think don't grow more than this. Some pistiles start showing off so started already Flowering Stage.

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