So from what I can understand molasses = simple sugars and trace elements.
So can other things be used with the same benefits?
for e.g I found this in a shop and thought it could be a good thing to try?
Hey there, my growmie. You should be able to use it as a simple sugar to feed the microbes in your soil. If it were me, I would start with about 1/2 teaspoon per litre/quart of pH'd water. However, if you are using salt-based nutrients, I really question how beneficial it would be in that those nutrients kill micro-organisms. If you do use it, keep in mind that this simple sugar is almost certainly lacking in the many trace minerals present in unsulphured molasses such as copper and selenium. Hope that info helps. Keep us posted and bonne chance, mon ami!
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greentomato Topic starter
January 12, 2022 10:21 am
but if molasses is a byproduct of sugar refinement and sugar is refined from sugar cane, the surely pure natural dried sugar cane juice would have all the same trace minerals? The only thing I can think of is that molasses would be far more concentrated
im_sparky January 12, 2022 10:35 pm
@greentomato I *think* that refined sugar has had nearly all compounds removed from it other than the sucrose molecule, hence the term refined.
Question for the moderators: how can I support my statement without links to scientific evidence? Every time I try to post a link it disappears.
You can leave the information we need to search for the article ourselves. Usually the title of the article is enough to get us there.
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"I really question how beneficial it would be in that those nutrients kill micro-organisms. "
You are incorrect.
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Question for the moderators: how can I support my statement without links to scientific evidence? Every time I try to post a link it disappears.
Synthetic nutrients do not kill micro-organisms, period.
Do Salts Kill Plants?
Remember that each ion has its own chemical and physical property. Each one affects soil and plants differently and some ions are more toxic to plants than others. It turns out that sodium is very toxic to most plants, even at low levels. It does not take much sodium to kill plants along the roadway where salt is used as a deicer and it quickly kills some plants along the seashore. But sodium is also used as a nutrient by some plants. It all comes down to dose. Small amounts can be beneficial for certain plants and too much kills them.
Nitrates are similar. If you put too much on your lawn you will burn the grass – which is just another way of saying you killed your grass. But grass, just like every other plant, can’t grow without nitrates.
Every ion in fertilizer is both a food source for plants at low levels and a toxin at high levels. Each ion has a different level of toxicity. Calcium, for example, can be quite high and has almost no effect on plants.
When salts (ie fertilizer) are added to soil in reasonable amounts it feeds plants and is not toxic to them. Plants can’t grow without them.
twisted1 January 9, 2022 11:41 am
I agree with your statement that synthetic nutrients do not kill Microbes. as far as the links go i believe if you remove the http and www from it so it doesnt actually link it you can post it and the reader can use it to find the info you are referring to. Admin can correct me if i am mistaken.
artmann January 9, 2022 11:45 am
That would be great! Thanks! I was confused. I thought I'd seen links before. All forums are slightly different, I have to get used to it.
Again, thank you!
I've been using synthetics for years with and without microbes. I assure you, the difference is amazing. I used micos for a long time. I added Mammoth P. I saw a huge boost in production.
Don't dismiss the use of microbes in synthetics. They work really, really well.
PEACE!
gardenmyths.com/salts-dont-kill-plants-or-microbes/
gardenmyths.com/does-fertilizer-kill-soil-bacteria/
Let's see if she works! 🤔
twisted1 January 9, 2022 11:49 am
i copied and pasted it in my browser and its was the first in line
I appreciate your polite response that differs from what I shared -- really, because people have lost the ability to disagree politely, so thanks for that. As for the difference of opinion, I have fallen squarely in the Ingham's and Lowenfels camp given the huge number of peer reviewed papers that back their claims. I have never heard Ingham say that salts kill all bacteria, and that appears to be the main criticism this self-published resource levels against the soil food web camp. Regardless, salts can and do work, of course, but I would rather walk the organic road for so many reasons.
To see a World in a Grain of Sand, And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand, And Eternity in an hour.
― William Blake
//e360.yale.edu/features/why-its-time-to-stop-punishing-our-soils-with-fertilizers-and-chemicals
To see a World in a Grain of Sand, And a Heaven in a Wild Flower,
Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand, And Eternity in an hour.
― William Blake
You're organic, I'm NASA.
It's all good. But fair warning. when we make it to Mars I'm going to be one shuttle ahead of you!
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Going back to the original post. Surely that stuff is far too fucking expensive to use feeding plants! I'd eat it mate.
greentomato Topic starter
January 12, 2022 10:23 am
Get that mate, it was more of a case of me finding out what molasses does and why it always seems to be molasses that’s used to see if there’s alternatives. Rather than should I keep popping to the posh shops to get organic cane juice for my plants! 😂
And with the expense thing, truth be told I bet it’s cheaper than buying any bottled nutrient, organic or otherwise
Teleman January 12, 2022 11:04 pm
I'm no horticulturist but I'm not sure that type of carb fits the bill. The commonly used biobiz grow is based on sugar beet but I think plant food is a completely different beast to simplex sugars. Otherwise I'd be adding milk and two sugars 🤣
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