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Hello,

Would be nice if someone could help me out with this one.

On the pictures you can see plants that suppose to be bigger (that was the idea) as they  are almost same size as they ware on veg. They some how stopped to grow up. When i switched them to flowering they grow maybe like 5 cm and thats it. With today's date it is 4th week finished of flowering, but:

- they ware never that green as suppose after switched them,

- now the stems starts to twist some how under a weight of flowers but they are not that big, the stems seems to be weak,

- the leafs on flowers some of them looks like they are weak yellow,

-the yellowing started from the bottom

 

I'm growing in coco, never had this kinda issues before, when you are looking at them they look fine from a distance but when you will come closer you can see and feel there is something wrong.

2 feedings using drain system, 30 minutes, Canna A and B, Canna boster, Canna Canazym, 7 Lumi lights 400 -600 depends of the overall temperature in grow room. EC 1.8 - 2.0, ph 6.0

Was thinking it could be Nitrogen deficiency?

 

 

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Posted : August 7, 2019 8:10 pm
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Welcome to Percys Methan.

Tough one this is, but it looks to me like 2 things:

Nitrogen Excess, dark leaves, lots of leaves growing at the top

But also Potassium def:

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Reduce the canna AnB, and add some more PK 13/14, and reduce the EC just a touch 🙂 say 1.6 will be enough

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Posted : August 7, 2019 8:24 pm
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@macky

The thing is my starting EC was 1.6 and from there problem starts to occur. My water normal ec is 0.8.

im adding pk 13/14 for 4 days now very small doses to support potassium def

Iv made flush about 7 days ago but that gave nothing i guess

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Posted : August 7, 2019 9:40 pm
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Thats a high BG EC. 1.8 should be fine then. 

Consistency is important, when you flushed, did you refeed at the same ec, or leave the plant with just water?

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Posted : August 7, 2019 9:44 pm
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i flushed them using water then waited till next feeding cycle then i gave them water with nutrients so they had break like 13-14h using same EC lvl

 

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See this could be where the problem stems from. When you flushed, you reduce the EC of the medium, but the plant is use to a higher level of EC. Because there is less salt in the medium, than in the plant, the plant will leech them back into the medium. Taking food out of the plant. I think if you just stick with the feed you have now, they will fix up and be fine in a few more days

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Posted : August 7, 2019 9:59 pm
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We will see then, Thank you! 

Will let you know how it went 😉

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@methan

Please do, if it gets any worse, then it will be another problem. But considering food is back to normal EC< and you have added, the extra PK, It shouldn't get any worse. 

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Posted : August 7, 2019 10:14 pm
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I do thing they need to be flushed one more time as today i have notice how many yellow leafs is there. Or the soil is blocked or no idea whats going on. 

They got everything what they need in theory will do the flush tomorrow and will increase the EC a bit.

 

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I know the pain mate, just chopped a plant that got stunted from over feeding, heart breaking to watch. But aslong you flush her well and make sure she reasonably fed too, she be good mate 

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Try record the EC with the flush, get rough idea how much EC she was storing at bottom 

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Yer man, flush it good, get all the old salts out, and re feed with some new nuits lower in nitrogen and more P and K, that should sort things. 

Good luck, let us know how it goes 

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Posted : August 8, 2019 9:59 pm
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Any advise on the flushing method, i know 2 of them:

1. As im using Flood and drain system i was just refill my tank with water and just using my system been flooding them with clear water and then just dumping what iv got back in toilet or whatever 🙂 

or

2. Just giving them clear  water straight from the tap from the above. 3x more litres more that the pot. (yes i know that the best way should be that the water should stay a good 12h to clear it from chlor)

which way would be better you think?

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a mix of both 😉 You need 3x the amount of coco in the pot, not 3 litres more than the coco in your pot, its a lot of water

Id fill the res, flush, fill it, flush, it, and then fill it and flush one more time. That should flush the plants good. then top it back up with feed, and feed the plants. 

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Posted : August 8, 2019 10:18 pm
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@macky

funny thing just happened, from my judgement there is nitrogen deficiency (and potassium but that should be sorted out thanks to pk 13/14) as i can see all of the symptoms as photos are not showing everything unfortunately. Iv add some extra nitrogen with my nuts, EC raised a bit from 1,8 to 2,0, and then after the feeding when the water comes back EC jumped to 2,8!

Added fresh water to it to put it back on place to 1,8-2.0.

PH stayed at same level.

Flush is coming tomorrow.

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Posted : August 8, 2019 11:58 pm
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@methan

If the run off is coming out that high, you have a salt built up from overfeeding. The plant hasn't been eating everything you have been giving it, so leaving salts behind. This builds up and essentially blocks the roots, and will stop the plant from eating. 

Urgent need of a flush in this case. Flush the medium until the Runoff is coming out below 1.8, as that the level you want it at. Then feed them, and monitor the EC of the res for a while, if it continues to rise, lower the EC of the feed by 0.2 

 

 

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Posted : August 9, 2019 12:22 am
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So making an update:

Done flush, extra nitrogen that i have added was caused that big jump in EC not the soil. When flushed, water was coming back with same EC and PH. So we can cross out that from the list, as some extra nitrogen for few days make the plant leafs more green on tops but not below. Nitrogen will be off and i will not add any more for now.

As the flower are growing but i got a feeling that they are not growing with full potential (experience from previous grows). Also now we can see that the steams are weak and they are not able to stabilise themselves  some time i have even notice that they break in half, so that shouldn't happen so we are missing something here. Flowers below the leafs are small and barely visible sometimes as that the unusual thing as well as during previous grows, yes they were small but not like that...

 

Also the flower leafs are turning yellow now, check the photos please.

 

The new thing in this grow was that that i have switched to Canna Booster as its the new nutrient i wanted to tested it, do have feeling it could causing the problems. So i took it OFF and i will not use it any more.

Added some extra Potassium from PK, and EC now is 2.0 - 2.2 for leafs are not burning so will stick with it for now. PH 6.0 

Any advice will be good as i do not have any idea for now what could causing the problem. As time is making a difference here as it is now 4th and half week. 🙁

 

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What nutrients are you using exactly Methan? 

How much of what Per litre?

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Posted : August 11, 2019 2:20 pm
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Canna A&B, pk 13/14 (small doses to support potassium), Cannazym, been using canna boost (but now its without it, before i was using dutchpro booster and everything was fine) and nitrogen for 3 days feedings.

So now im on:

Canna A,B, pk 13/14, Cannazym 

Basicly this table will be good example of how i'm doing it, but of course i'm changing a bit doses to have EC on preferred lvl, as now i'm on EC 2.0 

 

 

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I think its still a bit too much food....even though you bg ec is high, pushing ec to 2.0 is high... lets see how they like the current feed. give it a few days, monitor the run off, and res, if it rises, the feed needs reducing 

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Posted : August 11, 2019 6:10 pm
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@macky

Just to let you know, final result was 1,5 kg.

Thats was bad...

Most likely the whole thing was a result of bad genetics of clones, as someone who got that clones to, had a problems with them as i had and he final result was bad a well.

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