I put the seeds in water this AM, will transplant directly into 3 gallon pots tonight.
As I have just set up the auto watering system, I will be monitoring this quite closely for a few days. I see the need to top water the seedlings even with the halos as the very center seems to get top dry after a day or two. So my plan is to let it both auto water and I'll give it a top watering every AM until they sprout.
Nice to use plural pronouns now, I won't be relying upon a single plant any longer. When this batch fills out, I'll see how much canopy I have and decide if I can squeeze in a third -- chances look good TBH. I would either be able to use just the two lights, or pop for a third (at $99 a go).
2x4 Vivosun grow tent
2 150 watt Viparspectra LED lights
AN Sensi Coco A+B
Calmag
Great White Shark myco
Big Bud for PK during bloom
Jack and Bruce are planted. Next we wait.
Are you going directly into the three gallon pots so you can use the watering system from the start? A friend of mine with considerable experience and success says he finds transplanting into progressively larger pots/grow bags really accelerates growth, so, personally, I decided to start small and wait until the final transplant to install the halos.
Good to know about the possible need to water the center by hand.
And good luck with the grow. I'll be watching this one.
I'm disinclined to think of transplanting primarily due to transplant shock. I like to provide what I imagine mother nature expects for these little critters, and rooting in place seems to be a tradition in nature. I do see some possibilities around warming the smaller pots atop the lights for bottom warming, but so far nope.
Having said that, I've floated seedlings before, which must put their root systems through significant shock, yet they flourished.
@lousytourist My friend (and I at his suggestion) use mesh grow bags. You leave the plants in the bag, put a layer of coco in the bigger pot/bag, put the plant on top, and fill in the sides with coco coir. Maybe that minimizes the shock. Some people say the grow bags can block the roots and cause them to remain in the smaller bag within the larger pot, but my post mortems of the root zone from my first two grows have shown no such problems. Interesting hobby. So many variables. Not many proper experiments using sound scientific methods to compare different strategies. They are tough plants, as evidenced by the fact that I have yet to kill one!
I didn't plant Jack quite as deep as he should have been, I saw a sideways sprout this AM, did my best to cover her back up a bit and hope she didn't get light poisoning.
Tonight both seedlings broke surface. No pictures, they are just the tiniest of things right now. I'll give them a week to look presentable first.
A little early but here's a picture of Jack and Bruce. Jack is on the right, and has minor leaf damage, possibly from his sprouting issue.
When a proper second set of leaves show, I'll start them on 1mL/gal of grow nutes. Probably by Monday.
Hi, il watch this one I have two bruce banner #3 x bubblegum from mosca at 7 weeks flower, ill post up some pics tomorrow when the lights are on.
mosca seeds bruce banner #3 x indiana bubblegum at 7 weeks
I'm fine tuning the irrigation system. I have roughly 1L going in at a time and a little over 100mL coming out. This is with the drippers at almost full off, so it's drips and not streams from the halos. The pump runs for 30 seconds to achieve this output.
I think this is where she needs to be runoff wise with coco, if that's not so please let me know.
I have mixed up the first 3 gallons of nute mix, at 1mL/gal of A, B and calmag. Also put another tsp of myco in the first watering just to be thorough.
@lousytourist 10% run off i what ive always read and aim for. Excited to see the JH, im thinking of picking up some seedsman JH. What breeder JH are you running?
@sosoburnttoast I have a pack of JH from Seedsman on @Macky's recommendation. Likely be growing that next, along with at least one Cheese strain...probably Big Buddah. Stiil trying to figure out how many plants I can comfortably fit into the 2x4 raised bed in the 2x4 tent. I'm thinking maybe three?
@curmudgeon yes in that space you can get away with 3 or even 4 in 18 litres but I'd only recommend 1 or 2.
Once you figure out your environment and growing techniques just one plant in that space vegged for around 4 weeks will fill the space, I have many times under 150w led get 2gpw.
@mitchikush I've got 3 gal bags (18L) I was considering using for that grow. I have three strains Cheese I want to run, cause Macky and all the UK guys sing the praises of those strains...gotta see what all the hoopla is all about. I've been trying to decide if using the 2x4 81 gal (~302L) raised bed bag would work or to go with the 3 gallon bags. I know that root size is a determining factor on how big the plant grows so the 81 gallon is undoubtedly going to produce plants that are likely to outgrow the 2x4x5 tent.
in that space 18ltr bag is enough, depends on how long you intend to veg for and what techniques you are using, also I'd recommend just the one led until flower in that space on full at the top of the tent , plants need very little light until flower and the led we use are flipping brilliant at penetrating through the canopy like a sum ray.
Less is more ..
Just my advice.
@mitchikush That's almost how I have my current grow set up, though I had the light about 20" above when they were much smaller. When the stretch came, she was growing 1" (2.5 CM per/day) so now my light is much closer to the top of the tent. Stretch is over and I have about 51-60cm of grow room. That's in my 3x3x6 (90x90x180). The one I'm prepping for the next grow is 2x4x5 (60x120x150). I don't know how tall the Cheese strains get, but I'll be topping them at least once and then Supercropping to keep their height under control. I was going to use another SCROG but decided to use tomato cages instead.
Forgot to add, I'm only going to Veg for a maximum of 5 weeks, probably only 4.
@mitchikush @curmudgeon Could you try and avoid having too many conversations or posting pictures in other peoples diaries please 🙂
@curmudgeon i grew 4 northern light autos in my 2x4 on first grow and wish i had only done 3. If they had been photos and flipped earlier 4 would have been fine. Apologies that this isnt very helpful lol. Im excited to follow your JH journal!
@sosoburnttoast It actually is helpful. The next grow is photos and I will only Veg for 5 weeks MAX. More likely 4 if they look ready to flip.
Dawn Breaks on Marble Head. I realized 1L is from 12 hour waterings, I measured what the halo releases in a 30 second window and it is 200mL going in, not 1L. That means 100mL out is 50% so as I cannot reduce the flow much easier, I will reduce the window from 30 to 15 and see what the output is then. Might need a couple shots to get the output to be 20mL.
For what it's worth I've learned how to feed in run to waste without a run off if needs be.
Honestly if you need any advice on run to waste coco growing I have been growing this way for over 20 years now, drop me a DM buddy happy to share my experience.
@mitchikush Gonna be Super Soil (water only) this time which is why I was thinking the 2x4 raised bed bag. Using Coco and the watering/feeding schedule is too much for me right now. Besides, I don't have the equipment to run a system like that just yet.
@mitchikush Gonna be Super Soil (water only) this time which is why I was thinking the 2x4 raised bed bag. Using Coco and the watering/feeding schedule is too much for me right now. Besides, I don't have the equipment to run a system like that just yet.
in that case then yes a minimum of 45ltr is needed, living soil isnt my thing, I have grown organic but prefer coco coir.
Well good luck with the soil one, ill pop in and see how it all goes
at 20 seconds of pumping, I am getting 180mL input per plant, and 50-60mL output per plant. Still a little high, so I dialed it down to 15 seconds of pumping. Any lower than that and overhead like pump priming etc. become significant factors. One aspect I haven't considered is 4 hour intervals instead of 6.
Otherwise the plants are on the 1mL/gal nute mix and tolerating it well.
In related news, the Godfather OG auto that my brother is growing has exceeded 2 feet already. Plus his neighbor to the east cut down ALL the trees in their back yard, this opened the plant up to an additional 6 to 8 hours of light per day.
@lousytourist automated feeding sounds ideal but with coco it is a necessity to achieve that yield your after. Will be interesting to see the difference in high frequency fertigation. How do you regulate the PH or are you lucky to have good water?
Nice work 🤟
@green_fingers_87 I put my trust in Advanced Nutrients pH perfect technology.
And I have my own water distiller.
Thanks @lousytourist, will check that brand out. I am also considering buying a water purification system but not sure yet.
I am still fussing with the water flow, even with proper ball valves the difference between same and double flow is a tiny adjustment at best. I went from a 50% difference in flow rate to a 3x when I meant to bring it closer instead of farther.
I wonder if adding yet another stopcock to reduce the overall flow would make the adjustment easier?
@lousytourist Are you having any Ph drift in your reservoir? If not, are you doing anything to prevent it. Mine rises about .6 per day. I have an air pump and airstone, and I cut the aeration down to approximately 10 minutes before each fertigation, but the drift continues unabated. I too use AN's ph perfect nutes.
I have only just put the first three gallons of nutes in the reservoir -- its been phed water only till now. I'm still trying to figure out how long a batch will last, let alone its chemical properties.
When I was checking AN pH, not with a reservoir, my concern was that it was too low, high 5s and low 6s IIRC.
TBH, I haven't even checked EC input or outputs on these girls yet, just going with the recipe that worked last time with a close eye for trouble.
@lousytourist You may not have my problem (pH drifting up) then, as the pH of my tap water and nute mix (and my tapwater alone) starts at 7 and I have to knock it down when I mix up a batch. Maybe the pH down stops working after some time.
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