Hey Everyone,
This is my very first grow and I chose 2 North Thunderfuck Photoperiod plants. I am Growing in a 4x4 tent with a Vivosun 400 Watt Light.
Seeds planted in small 1 cup container of moistened happy frog (able to squeeze and it clumps but does not drip water). The small container is sitting in a 15 Gallon fabric pot with one large bag of foxfarm ocean forest split between the 2 15 Gal bags and then topped off with a little over one large bag of fox farm happy frog to fill them the rest of the way leaving about a 1-2" gap at the top. Then misted soil with 6 sprays of tap water for each. The light is 3 feet above the soil.
9-15-24 The plants seemed to be doing great
9-16-24 I mixed 2ml of clonex in 6oz of room temp tap water and slowly poured around each plant. Each plant got 6 oz. This was the first ever feed.
9-17-24 I noticed some small spots of discoloration around the edges of the leaves on node 2 of the right plant (plant 2) the left plant seemed fine.
9-18-24 The discoloration on the right plant (plant 2) seems to be about the same as yesterday, but I did notice that the left plants (plant 1) 2nd node leaves were starting to curl down at the tips and had discolored edges. The first set of leaves in both plants seem to have no issues.
This is a link to my full grow diary with many more pictures. Each row with 4 pictures, the left 2 are plant 1 and the right 2 pictures are plant 2
I am brand new to this and came across this podcast at work today. I am excited to join in with so many other cannabis lovers. I am not sure yet how to diagnose issues since this is my 1st grow, but I would guess the issue stems from the clonex I mixed in the water. I was told by a friend to use clonex to help get a strong root system but I am unsure now if that was bad advice.
I plan to give just tap water the next time it needs water. Do you think it is any concern? The new growth does not have any issues only the leaves at node 2. Is there any recommendations of what I should be doing instead.
I did see the thread from Muttsnutt that could be something similar with the edges of the leaves except for I am at the very beginning of the grow. It is the same strain although that is an auto and mine is photo.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Clonex 1-0.6-1
I guess the link did not post so here is the link to my grow journal.
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You did post a link mate but links get removed automatically, we do not allow links to other site here. Welcome to the forum. I see you're keeping a very detailed journal of your grow. Thanks for sharing it with usI guess the link did not post so here is the link to my grow journal.
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So I transplanted my plants on Sunday 9-22 in to their final container a 15 Gal fabric pot. I expected to see some type of transplant shock but now that it is 4 days later I am getting concerned. The lower leaves are looking pretty sick but the new growth is nice and green. All of the leaves are a little droopy.
Should I remove the lower leaves and just let the plant focus on new growth?
@ordiewatch I would say it’s transplant shock. I’ve seen some plant not just cannabis take up to 2 weeks before they take hold. Do not pull any leaves off that could cause more stress to the plant and actually kill it. Just keep an eye on and don’t over water it. 👍
@racingbud Thanks I have left the older dying leaves to just fall off on their own and the new growth is looking much better.
What temperature are you maintaining when the light is off?
Mine have that 'look' when they get too cold at night.
@muttsnut This week the hottest daytime temp was 79.9F removed link and the lowest temp at night was 71.4F removed link
Sorry I guess it thought it was a link since I used a slash between the Fahrenheit and Celsius temp. That is High of 26.6C and low of 21.8 C
The new growth is starting to look much better again, but the older leaves are dying off.
you keep getting fucked with your supposed links. lol We'll call you the Linkester!! 🤣 sorry about that man.
If this little one were mine, I'd check the water PH, and make sure it's at 6.8. That's where I like my water PH to be at. I use rain water and it comes out at 7.0, it's good.
If it's chlorinated treated city water, that needs to sit for at least 24 hrs.
I don't know what type of soil your using but the plant looks a bit hungry. It's light green color and the way the lower leaves are fading shows it could use some calmag. I like to use Epsom salts, unscented. I use about a 1-TBSP per gallon/4L. I use it as a soil drench or as a foliage feed.
When they're young like this, I find that a little Fish fertilizer does great at this point. Whatever the label says, only use about 1/4 of what is recommended. The shit can be strong and she's just a little one, so go easy on her at first.
You said the humidity was around 50%, it would be great at around 60%+, 65% tops.
Sorry if you listed these things and I didn't read them. My bad. Good luck 🖐️
Ok, so fox farms soil, and their a month old. That's cool. I don't understand the Clonex treatment that you did, but is that the same plant that's have issues now?
Are you using the Fox Farms feeding schedule? That would probably help.
Lastly would be your light. Whatever the manufacture recommends as far as height. Once she greens up a little, she should start praying towards the light when it's at the right height.
@woodi2 Ok so my Ph is somewhere around 6-7 I need to get a PH meter but I do have the PH test strips you just dip in water that change color not sure if they are super accurate or not, but that is the best I have for now.
It is city water but after each watering I refill my water container and let them sit until the next watering. Right now I am watering every 3-4 days so it has plenty of time sitting.
The soil is Happy Frog for the top 2/3 and ocean forest for the bottom 1 removed link The only nutrients the plant has been given other than what is in the soil was the clonex only 1 time because that is when the issues started. I probably won't use this again at least until I learn more. I was told by a friend who grows to use it but it seems that is not needed.
I will check in to the fish fertilizer and see what they have at my local garden store.
At the time of the initial post the average humidity in my tent was 55% Over the last week my humidity at its highest was 70% and at its lowest was 48%. I will post a picture of my temperature and humidity chart.
Yes this is all pictures of the same plant. It did not get any worse after the clonex treatment pictures I posted. The current issue seems to just be transplant shock.
I have not fed them anything except for the clonex that one time I was under the assumption that the first few week the soil has all the nutrients they need but I will start following the fox farm feeding schedule for my soil. I have just been giving water when needed.
My light recommends for veg 18-24 inches and I am 20 inches from the top of the plant right now at 60% light intensity.
Thanks for taking the time to help me out.
I understand the use of Clonex. I bought the gel a long time ago. 10% Clonex gel to 90% RO water, in a spray bottle. It definitely increases the speed of tails come out in the paper towel method. Just DO NOT buy the spray they sell, its the same as 1:10 ratio of the gel used for cloning but watered down with a huge mark up on cost!
Also for old seeds scrape the surface of them with some sand paper, not hard, 4-6 times lightly, this increases their change of germinating successfully no mater how old they are.
@thabigbadwolfie I was on day 25 when I gave the clonex mixed in water. What I bought was in liquid form so maybe I got ripped off I don't know, it was not in a spray bottle. I have a friend who grows who gives clonex with every other watering but what I have seen here I don't think I will follow his lead on that one. My seeds germinated great in 1% hydrogen peroxide.
@thabigbadwolfie I was on day 25 when I gave the clonex mixed in water. What I bought was in liquid form so maybe I got ripped off I don't know, it was not in a spray bottle. I have a friend who grows who gives clonex with every other watering but what I have seen here I don't think I will follow his lead on that one. My seeds germinated great in 1% hydrogen peroxide.
The pure gel/liquid is the thing to buy, just don't buy their spray bottles, its a marketing ploy to make more money. This is more of something for seeds and clones rather than to do every feed. As always its not a must and you can find alternatives, but I have found in germination it has so far increased the speed and efficiency.
After 3 weeks old, the plant is supposed to be mature and no longer a seedling. And, FF soil is supposed to have enough nutrients for the start, but...
If it were mine, I would give a Epsom salt spray. that won't hurt anything. If the plant improves, it shows the plant is lacking nutrients. If not, it won't hurt a thing. Mix, 1-Tsp of salts to 1 liter of water. Spray at lights out. You can water in the soil a bit too. I'm betting she'll love it.
If it does perk up, then I would start using the FF soil line up.
After she perks up, I would try increasing the light intensity, but maintain the height. Once she starts to pray towards the light, stop increasing. Later you may have to lower the light to get the same response.
I use Clonex for cloning, it's too expensive for anything else. Nature packed plenty in that seed hull to get to the light. imo I'm sure there's some good hacks out there, though.
Good luck man.
@woodi2 Thanks for the insight since this is my first grow I greatly appreciate it and I am taking it all in and keeping detailed notes of everything I am doing. I will give the epsom salt spray a try and depending on the results of that I will start the fox farm recommended nutrients on the next watering.
@woodi2 The first picture is last night right after I finished the Epsom salt spray and the second picture is 12 hours later. Thanks for the help I will give nutrients in my next watering.
@ordiewatch, that does look better. Nice!! lol
After thinking about it some more, it may have been the soil was a bi too hot for the seedling, at first. FF usually has a good product but I have heard that it can burn seedlings at first.
The Happy Frog, along with the Jump Start is what I've used before. I sprinkle a little Jump Start in the bottom of the hole when transplanting. But my seedling, I like to start in a clear solo cup with another red solo cup outside to keep the light out but you can still check the root progress. That way I can make a light soil mixture for the seedling to grow in before transplanting into Happy Frog or Ocean Forest, or a mixture of both.
But yours may have gotten a bit burnt, which means a nutrient lockout. It appears to have gotten past that part and is starting to come around. Since the Epsom salts was successful, then you could use the leftover spray water to water her in. Then look into the FF nutrient line for soil and use that at 1/4 strength, of what's recommended. Make sure to get the Calmag. You don't need the entire line up, just the first 4 items will grow good weed. If you can afford some of the others. that's great. Then follow the instructions, and don't forget to water with regular water, in between feedings.
Make sure to PH everything that you give your plant. I prefer 6.80, PH. You can pick up some simple PH, UP and DOWN. You use drops, so a little goes a long way.
Good luck, and let us know how things go.
@woodi2 I agree, the seeds have all they need to grow but some 10% Clonex spray (self made) does cut off a day or so of germination for older seeds which tend to take longer than fresh seeds to germinate, if they actually do!
@thabigbadwolfie, it sounds good man, I'll give it a shot sometime. If I knew before hand, when I was going to have a problem seed, I'd definitely give it a try. lol
I just had a problem seed, that had me jumping through hoops trying to make it happy. The second attempt was as hard as the first. I think I might have now, but it still a 50/50 shot. It's almost above ground. lol Sometimes, they will make you look silly!!! lol 🤣
@woodi2 just remember to also lightly sand paper old the seeds too, softly, softly, gently, gently no more than 5-10 seconds, helps them absorb the water and crack open. DONT OVER DO THIS, that will harm the seeds more than it helps.
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