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Can you give us some info on the grow mate? What medium is it in and what are you feeding it? 

This looks like a bad case of spider mites maybe..... but need to know more 

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@macky yo defo not spider mite mate thought that meself 

 

growing in canna pro plus soil has been recycled couple times 

using advanced nutrients 

ph is always about 6

ec 1.4 I think 

That plant is 5 weeks into flower always been slow drinking hasn’t really done much just binned that one had another looks like it was goin the same way leaves browning that got binned too it’s only 8% of the room so it’s not a major issue would just like to know why

any help or advice much appreciated 

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Growin under 600w hps 4 a light 15l hard pots 

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I dont say this often mate, as we like to save all plants, but i dont think this is savable. All of the big fan leaves have gone, and th smaller ones wont recover, so fo rthe rest of the grow the plant wont be able to function properly.

Something like this takes a while to get so bad, I wish you would have come to us sooner. 

Could be extreme nitrogen or potassium deficiency, but could also be down to bad mites damage. Its hard to tell without the leaves there to look for symptoms.

What advanced nuits are you feeding it? Sensi bloom?  

 

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@macky mate it’s drank quite slow right through veg but felt it had enough tops to flip so put it into flower there’s defo no mite mate no mite in the room

usin advanced nutes grow micro bloom everythin diluted so have 100ml if each into 30l 

that plant has had them base us b52 bud ignitor an big bud same as everything else plant was healthy lookin until like week 4 went through stripped  majority big fan leaves same treatment as rest of plants confused 

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Just my 2 cents but looks like salt burn maybe....badly. I'm wondering if that batch of soil is no good and causing ph problems since it's been re used. Also....if these plants have been binned.....can you show us the other plants? To have some comparison?

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@colacody to everything else is fine mate only tjem 2 I’m wondering whether it’s the cuttings normally I take the top heads of the mother for cuts but Iv took some lower down off the same branch as well they took longer to root than the top head cuts an I’m sure it’s them that I’m having the problems with now what do you think 

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@stanley2020 could be bad cuttings but....I've never taken clones and actually after this harvest will be looking deeper into it. How many other plants do you have?

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@colacody yo there was about 48 cuttings that rooted so 2 of them went in the bin once they hit week 5 flower but as I said literally start of week 5 they went like that turned over night almost weird 

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@stanley2020 I'm wondering if they got an infection after the fan leaves were pulled....it can happen and if they get something that goes into the system of the plant....its usually game over. You said that you had defoliated and then it happened? 

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@colacody yer I defoliated about half way through week 3 I always leave couple lower downs on for that reason they drank slow the whole way through mate so was onto them bein abit weak just they haven’t fattened up or anythin everythin else has all the others are dark green leaf they are quite light the leaf that I left on them went brown from the tips up the sides died an fell off the leaf you can see on them pics that’s only about 2 days since they was fine

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Hard to say for sure man. Sorry mate I dont have an answer on how to fix this one. Maybe one of the other guys can help though? 

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@macky it’s annoyin mate burning my head out there already in the bin like just wouls like to know why it’s happened but I’m 99% sure it’s not any burn or deficiency 

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@stanley2020

The plants use the lower fan leaves to buffer the plant, stores food or draws food from the large fan leaves ( never good to remove all of them)

you removed all of them so this plant went into shock (some plants are stronger than others)  and you gave the plant food, plant had no where to get rid of the extra food so the plant started storing it in the small leaves and over time got worse. 

you could of flush the plant with lots of water and wait a week to see if she recovers but its not going to give you a good harvest 

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@jacks_farm yo said in like every post I leave lower fan leaves on to stop any infection gettin through am onto tha anythin that isn’t blocking the light stays on just said there tha the fan leaves that were on it went brown from the tip shrivelled up an died in about a week forgot to say they went on flush there in 15s gave them all 5l of water once then back onto feed hasn’t helped at all guess again mate 

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@stanley2020 general rule of thumb for a flush is 3x the size of the pot. So in a 15 liter pot....that's 45l water per pot....may have not flushed enough....but again these plants may have been a bit weaker and not able to hold up to the stress

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@colacody I think your right on both of them there mate I do think the cuts are weak also compared to the rest never use forums but annoyed me that hadn’t seen it before sent pic around about 12 people all scratching there heads so thought I’d try here appreciate it

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@stanley2020 anytime man. It's hard when they are that far gone tho man...clones are touchy but couldve been many things there....likely a poorly developed cutting. If there were struggles in the beginning then it's a sign of a problem. How many plants you got growing?

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@colacody what  are you the police 😂😂😅✌️

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@stanley2020 lolol not even close hahahah. I'm in Canada man. Legal weed everywhere lol

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@colacody nice mate nice

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Do you know what that is ?

 

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@stanley2020 this could be a few things mate, from potassium excess, to mag, deficiency and sulphur deficiency......hmmmmmm

Are you using "PH Perfect" nuits? 

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@mackyi am mate yer grow micro bloom for base an only usin bud ignitor first 2 weeks followed by big bud then overdrive don’t put much in to be honest 

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@macky also got 2 mates doin the same cuttings in similar conditions same feed schedule just different pots per light 

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@stanley2020 ya man that leaf looks like a salt build up and possible ph issue like @macky said. I'd give em a really good flush and then refeed as macky suggested....p.s I'm still not the police hahaha

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Posted by: @stanley2020

@jacks_farm yo said in like every post I leave lower fan leaves on to stop any infection gettin through am onto tha anythin that isn’t blocking the light stays on just said there tha the fan leaves that were on it went brown from the tip shrivelled up an died in about a week forgot to say they went on flush there in 15s gave them all 5l of water once then back onto feed hasn’t helped at all guess again mate 

you have reused the soil a couple of times to there no lime/shells to keep the ph at 6.5 

did you remove all the roots from the soil because this will effective drainage and roots can rot ?

your giving the plants a strong amount of nutes while removing the leaves on the plant ?

The leaves go brown and dry up and you give it a flush, did you try dropping the ec to 1.0 and see how she goes ?

when add nutes do you check the ph after adding the nutes  to the water ?

you need the ph level to be 6.5 for soil or you can cause lock out in the root mass 

 

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@jacks_farm ya this is exactly what I was thinking man. I'm not a fan of heavy defoliating for that reason and the plants use the leaves for the food because it can take nutrients from the leaves faster than the roots. And being a clone....the root system may have not been as strong to support it either and then bam....shock and then all done. Happens with plants sometimes 

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@colacody yo Iv done like 100 cuts off this mother so far had it just over a year never no problems always take loads off when I defoliate aroind week 3 4 never had any problems literally just these 2 

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Posted by: @colacody

@jacks_farm ya this is exactly what I was thinking man. I'm not a fan of heavy defoliating for that reason and the plants use the leaves for the food because it can take nutrients from the leaves faster than the roots. And being a clone....the root system may have not been as strong to support it either and then bam....shock and then all done. Happens with plants sometimes 

your right,

I have defoliated a lot of plants over the years but only when you really need too and you really need to know what your doing and how the plant will react.

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@jacks_farm yo yer I agree mate had this mother over a year done this strain about 14 times im well onto it

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What size tent you growing in mate?

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@macky am not in tent mate An I’m using an opticlimate pro 3 1500 only thing I’m not doin is adding co2 atm so I’m not on a closed loop but temps humidity everythin is spot on 

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what  are you the police

No mate, this is a forum for personal growers only, and the fact you had 48 cuttings raises concerns to us, that you are not growing for personal use..... 

So we like to know, how many plants are you growing? How much floor space do you use? And how many lights? 

 

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@macky yo I only do 9 I take more cuttings to make sure I get my 9 im in a 2.4 by 1.2m tent with 2 600w hps 4 a light an 1 in the middle nice 9 how about you ?

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I take more cuttings to make sure I get my 9

Thats all good then ate, thats what i thought. I have done similar in the past, taken 5 cuts from each plant and ended up with farrrr too many lol. I only grow a maximum of 8, 4 in 2 tents. one tent veg/ auto, and one for flowering photoperiod plants Smile

 

 

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@macky yer I hate when I have too many an they just go in the bin so sad...did you see the leaf pic I posed do you know what’s up with it ?

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see it could be an imbalance in the ph then mate and thats causing lock out for some nutrients. pH in soil should be around 6.5, and the ph perfect can bring the ph right down to 5.8.

Also, when I used advanced, i never went over 2ml per litre, and that was for some hefty plants man. You seem to be more like 3ml per litre, and that can be a problem too. 

Might be the bud ignitor too. 

I would flush the medium to get rid of loads of the salts, and then refeed at a light dose with just the bloom and micro, no grow, and no ignitor or big bud. Just the micro and bloom

If they pick up in a week or so, i would consider adding big bud for a week, maybe two, and then overdrive to finish them off. 

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