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Compared to its sister plant ( from regular seeds with exact same conditions) this one has slightly bubbled (not sure how else to describe it)foliage with a metallic sheen to it picture 3 is of sister plant for reference

Also they have been in the dwc for 6 days now but has had problem for last 4

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Half recommended dosage of bio diesel A,B,Alovate,CalMag plus sprinkle of great white

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@profsnowflake ph level should really be at 5.8-6.2 mate, 5.5 is a little low. Also as its getting colder now, keep an eye on res temps, that will make a difference with pH too. @Woodi2 will be able to help more when he comes online, he is a DWC grower Smile

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@profsnowflake welcome to percys! Good to see another Aussie on the forum :). You have the resident water park expert woodi already helping so your I'm good hands, he will get you back on track Smile one thing I will say is your going to struggle keeping heat in check without good extraction and or a cooling option under that lamp.Β 
Especially now we are heating up, it will only increase heat and evap etc along with it.

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@bubblehok will my inline to carbon extracting from the top of the tent suffice or should I invest on a little aircon for the room?

Also the room is half sunk underground (house is on a steep hill) so its the coolest room in the house.Β 

I also have another light that has a glass tube around it... I'm not sure what that's for

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Β I've been looking forward to asking you a fellow Aussie in similar-ish conditions some questions since I started listening to high on homegrown a couple months ago 🀭 thank you for the advice πŸ‘Œ

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@profsnowflake all good bro always happy to help Smile and thanks for listening, glad you enjoy the show. @macky puts a massive effort into the show I just provide comic relief 🀣.

So it's not going to be a massive issue right now, but when you flip it would be a good idea to keep those temps lower. For reference I ended up having to run a mini portable ac in my room last summer, even running an led setup it got real hot and my room is probably the coolest in my house ambiently. One thing I did find is that depending on the type of heat I was getting it would determine which method worked better for me. If I was getting a humid heat outside then I would use the portable a/c unit, if it was a dry heat I was able to use an evaporative cooler and that helped bring the humidity into range without the need for the added humidifier.Β 

I run 2 x 6 inch extractors with filters for a 4x8 and it is just enough extraction to keep everything happy. But it looks like your runningΒ  4x4 so that extractor should be enough.Β 

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@bubblehok I'm absolutely loving it mate I'm getting through the episodes pretty quickly. I'm an arborist so I'm up in the tree with a chainsaw having you fellas cracking me up through my headset 8 hours a dayπŸ‘Œcan't get much better than that

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Yeah I'm using an old 4x4 I got with a kit on marketplace so I'm still looking for what I need to invest in next would you say should get an EC/ppm meter or sort out a cooling solution 1st? ( Just a bit tight at the moment but I hate buying cheap budget stuff that doesn't last) also outdoor temps are just starting to peak just under 30 last few daysΒ 
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@profsnowflake sweet bro, what a job! You have heaps of good stuff to listenΒ  too in the back catalogue of episodes and interviews so should keep you busy for a while.Β 

As for the first piece if kit I would be getting a decent set of ec and ph pens, personally I like the blulab ones as they are fairly priced and easy to use. But I also like the apera ones as well. Check out hydroexperts.com.au they stock heaps of gear and ship discreetly from within aus, I have bought tons of stuff nutrients included through them. If you want decent seeds and genetics I would suggest alibongos, they are the best at getting seeds in for us here and have almost all you could ever want genetics wise including the big hitters in the game like Dutch passion and barneys farm. But I strongly recommend the ph/ec pens especially since your using dwc they are vital for you to keep things in check. I think I got my blulab meters on a special but I did see they have a combo pack, they come pre calibrated but I suggest grabbing their cleaning and calibration pack as well as it's cheap and has plenty ty of solutioΒ  to keep the probes clean and cared for.Β 

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@bubblehok yeah mate I've got seeds from alibongo just about here that have been in the van to be delivered since Thursday so fingers crossed I get my tropicanna poison and my purple punch arrive today.🀞

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I do have myself a blulab PH pen though so I'll go out and get their EC stick today πŸ‘Œ

Do you happen to have any experience with the Bio diesel nutrient range?

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@profsnowflake sweet bro, nice I didn't realise you had the ph pen already, amd awesome stuff getting some alibongos bits in, they are proper good at getting things in here thankfully. I have looked at the bio diesel range a few times and ummed and ahhhd over Wether to give it a run, I have run canna coco and more recently green planet with great success but may give the bio a crack if it looks like it gets the goods. I just can't go passed the rezin by green planet, that stuff is brilliant and really brings out those bold terps. But I will say it would be much the same as every other line, you will have your main a+b and then boosters and additives etc. My biggest advice is to take it easy and keep it simple for your first few runs then intro the extras if your happy with the base stuff. Most of the extra stuff they sell you can get by without and yield more than fine results with. The only reason I run the extras I run is because I have nailed down what works and what is snake oil with the nutrient lines I have used etc. Keen to see how you get along with them, and remember almost every time the "recommended" dosage is too much, start light and build up and you should be golden Smile

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@bubblehok yeah man I'm waiting on my alibongo order and FedEx has been meaning to deliver since Wednesday but is delayed, paid for the premium $120 postage too to make sure it arrives πŸ€”πŸ˜² hopefully doesn't go awol. . . We got the full set of nutrients with the tent so gonna give this range ago and branch out if need be.Β  We only doing half strength to start too except great white which is full dose cos what's the harm , cos that won't cause a lock out , (right??) 🀞 Thanks so much for writing back

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@profsnowflake great white is just beneficials, so you should be sweet, I would still go easy with it though, even just on the cost side of it. I think @woodi2 uses it in his dwc setup, he would be the best person to ask about concentrations as far as that's concerned. I mainly run coco so don't usually use bennies being I also run a pretty heavy salt feed schedule so kind of a pointless and expensive thing for me to run. For my rooting stems I use a diluted seasol solution, seaweed solution is excellent for early root stimulation in coco Smile

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@bubblehok thanks for that man - will take into consideration. Cool yeah will get in touch regarding that. just confirming the seaweed for rooting is that for clones?

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@profsnowflake no not for clones just promoting root growth as a feed additive Smile

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Thank you mate appreciate the help πŸ‘Œ

Also I'm in Australia so we've only just started warming up (29c today)

What temp am I aiming for in the res?

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Β  @profsnowflake, hey man welcome to Percy's, love your name, should I call you Snowflake?Β  just teasing man!! lol So your in DWC and your having problem, sorry to hear, let's get you sorted.Β 

Β  First concern is your water source. Are you using, tap water, rain water, RO or what? Ph for DWC like Macky said, is 5.5-6.5 but the sweet spot is 6.0, which brings up the next question, Do you have a PH meter or someway to measure the PH? liquid test kits work too.

Β  I haven't used your nutrients but can look them up, so the next question is do you have a EC meter to gauge the strength of the feed? Then what strength are you mixing them at? 1/4 strength to start works best.

Β  Then you have a big beautiful 660 watt light, what intensity is it at and how close is it? Check and use the manufactures recommendation for distance and intensity.

Β  Environment: you need good air movement and humidity, but I don't know their age so I can't recommend. if they were just moved into the DWC system 6 days ago and they have large leaves then where did they come from? Your air temp is high but it will be ok for now, my last grow over the summer hit 32.5c or slightly higher on the actual air temp and water temps were around 29c. So shit gets hot but will work.

Β  I do cover my Hydroton to keep the light out of the bucket, any light will cause Root Rot and can kill your grow. So, NO LIGHT in the res at ALLLL! Double check everywhere.

Β  Post some pics of the whole plants, hope this helps man!! πŸ–οΈΒ 

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Hey man, sure you can call me snowflake ❄️ hahaha πŸ˜‚(use to have white hair in highschool) , so I'm using de-chlorinated filtered water from the tap ,Β  the ph after giving a new bucket change of nutrients is sitting at 5.8 and 5.9 . Don't currently have an EC meter . Everything was put at half strength other than the microryzel inoculant which is full strength. Light is currently at 600 watt 20inches above canopy.Have a fan an humidifier on. They have been in starter pots with soil since seed , in a propagation tent for 2 weeks as they originally were going outside as was expecting clones but they fell through, then tried to get rid of as much soil from the starter pots as possible to transfer to the Rockwall to put into DWC. How do you cover your hydroton? And how important is humidity in the early stages through vedge?Β 

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Thanks so much for your help! Pics below

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Hard to see on the pics and it could be the lighting but it looks like there might be some discolouration starting in patches on those leaves. Always really handy for people diagnosing issues if you can provide pics under natural/white light. If possible. Personally I've had and seen this textur/sheen on young plants before and they've just grown out of it. Probably is your pH being a bit low as the others have said though. If the others are okay then this one might just be a little more sensitive.Β 

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Β  I feel since I changed their water and have pH corrected that the Sheen has definitely reduced thank you heaps guys πŸ‘Œ

I apologise for my terrible camera quality (my missus left my pixel 6 on the roof of the car 😭)

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Hey @Prosnowflake, glad you met the resident Aussie official, lol, he's the best!!Β 

Β  Hey man that other tube light might work better. You'll need to connect a vent hose to one side and run that outside and blow air through the other side with an in-line fan and that will expel the hot air from the light. It doesn't have to be a lot of air just enough to move the heat out, you'll have to play with it some. If you draw air in from outside and run that through it and back outside again, then you won't need a carbon filter for it. Secondly, is that the ballast for the light back there? My HID ballast would get hot enough to cook on, so if the cords are long enough, put that somewhere else if poss.

Β  Now that I can see a few things, it helps a lot. It looks like your on node 6, six set of leaves after the first two round ones, so that means your at least 3 weeks old. So that means it's ok to have your light at full blast but if it stressing them just turn it down slightly. Height sounds good.

Β  The first plant is praying slightly so that's a good sign, it shows light and food are in the ball park. Humidity of up to 65% is good for now through flip or the start of flower, that's tops, if it falls to 55%-60% that cool but try to keep it at or above 55%.

Β  Bubblehok is right again, man that's hard to say! lol But a good EC-PH-Temp meter is the most important item you'll need, you can't run hydro or most cannabis grows without them. Stick with EC and not PPM. Blu-lab may have the best deals, they deffo have a lot of combinations so take your time. You'll get what you pay for and this will be a bit of an investment, so don't go cheap or you'll be cussing and buying twice. They will need to be calibrated from time to time so you'll need solution, I'll try and attach some info for that. A Hygrometer for the RH, you can get those at a local store.Β 

Β  The leaf issues from above don't look that bad and will more than likely past, let's see if you can get the environment and the feed straightened out and go from there, your doing well so far. πŸ‘ Β 

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@woodi2 Hey mate thank you for the reply.

I have a 2nd mini inline and a bunch of spare ducting so 🀞it can reach outside I'll get that tube light set up today.

And yes they are my ballasts πŸ˜… should probably move them out from under the light.

I'll head down to the shop when they open to get myself a hygrometer and blulab EC meter πŸ‘Œ

The plants symptoms seem to have improved since giving them new res Ph to 5.9

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Thank you for all the advice and please keep it coming ☺️

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Β  @profsnowflake, hey glad it's working out. yeah your plants don't look bad so your not far off. A good meter also has replaceable probe tips, so if they go bad after a couple years you can order a new tip and not have to buy a whole new meter. I have a Hanna Growline, pricey but I love it. The next important piece of equipment beside my EC-PH meter is my PAR meter, I was able to get mine for under $200 USD, don't know about AUD. Those are my tools that I rely on the most, I do use an Infrared thermometer to.

Β  Since your going into summer try and be able to remove as much heat outside as you can. This is know as dialing in and it's something that you'll have to play with, but try to vent outside if possible. Having the ability to increase and decrease humidity, I use a humidifier through veg and a dehumidifier in flower but that down the road for now just something to think about. I do have fans that blow air up down and all the fuck around, so when it gets hot here I just keep the air moving. πŸ‘ Β Β 

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@woodi2 thanks for your reply man , yeah I'll need to get an PAR and a thermometer at some point soon too. Righteo yeah will look into venting the hot air out the tent into rest of house, Can't vent outside as helicopters fly past with infrared cameras. Will keep the air moving for sure

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