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Mostly the title there, and maybe its a pretty naïve question, but do you want to trim the fan leaves coming off the cola that may block light to the rest of the buds underneath it?  I would think so, but it also seems like doing this would eventually strip your plant of most leaves as it grows into the last stages of the flowering cycle.

I'm growing outdoors right now and don't have the option of hanging side-lights.

 
Posted : September 25, 2022 10:20 pm
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Posted by: @jehosaphet

but do you want to trim the fan leaves coming off the cola that may block light to the rest of the buds underneath it? 

its better to just move the leaf out the way if possible mate, removing a leaf is not really a good idea at this stage Smile

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Posted : September 26, 2022 12:19 am
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@macky See, I keep hearing mixed things about "pruning" at this stage.  Like either you simply cannot do it, or that you can, but only fan leaves that are blocking sun from other buds.

Another site talks about harvesting, and how you can choose to harvest plants piecemeal, meaning you can harvest buds that are ready to go while leaving the other colas in place to ripen a little longer.  Well...how is this possible if pruning during flowering is something that's almost surely going to send your plant into shock?  How are those other colas expected to ripen if the plant is suddenly stunted?

Sorry, I've just heard so many things but this is probably the first time I've heard that you don't want to touch even the fan leaves.  Oh boy have I already crossed that threshold lol

 
Posted : September 26, 2022 4:39 am
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@jehosaphet I can 100% promise you that your plant will benefit from a defol before and after stretch. If you want to do a partial harvest that will work too. The stress that a healthy plant would go through during a light pruning is minimal and the plant wouldn't notice it. I ill say that during stretch you want to keep as much stress to a minimum as you can but during flower you can take a fair amount of leaves off without much issue. As for partial harvest we are talking a week or two Max between the first bud coming off and the last being taken down so the plant has no time to really stress enough to have a negative effect. Some people like to leave a plant alone and swear it's better and others will take as much off and yield impressive numbers. The key factor is that the plant is healthy and not already stressed when you do a defol. And never defol during the stretch period.

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Posted : September 26, 2022 5:27 am
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@bubblehok I had to look up 'stretch' as I've never heard the term before but okay, sounds good...or at least sounds inline with other opinions I've heard on the subject.

Another question I just asked on another thread but am going to repeat here since you seem as articulate as you are knowledgeable...if I've found a couple amber trichomes amongst a sea of clear/milky ones on a specific plant (out of a number of them that don't seem as far along as this one), how much longer might I need to wait before harvesting this one?

I ask because I'm not sure if I should fertilize one more time or start flushing...

I'm pretty sure its flushing and that there's a good chance I should have already been flushing; just wondering if I could be way off and no, come to find out I might have a good couple weeks left before that plant might be ready.  Also having a hard time seeing whether or not the trichomes are clear or milky, even with a 60x jeweler's loop...know any tricks to make that process any easier?  The "squinting through a teeny jeweler's loop scope" process?

Pardon my loading you up with questions here...whatever you can tell me would be great!

 
Posted : September 26, 2022 9:00 pm
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@jehosaphet hey mate, all good that's why we are here, none of us will get upset about you asking questions :). 

The best thing you can do if you don't have a usb microscope is try use your phone to zoom in on the bud and take a close up photo. You want to be checking multiple buds on the plant and checking the actual calyx (the part of the bud where the little hair is coming out and receding back into) and checking about halfway down the cola itself. Trichomes will develop and finish faster on the sugar leaves themselves so the calyx is the best place to view for an indication. Personally I check a few tops all over the plant and I look for the trichomes to be as milky as possible with roughly 10-15% amber  this is all up to your preference though. Ideally you want to use a few different indicators to determine when you harvest, you should be looking for the amber and milky trichomes but also looking at the buds themselves ensuring they have swollen and the hairs are browning off and curling back towards the buds. You should also be noticing the plants eating less volume and slowly drinking less. If you can afford it there are cheap microscopes that plug into your smartphone/ computer that you can get real nice close up shots of the trichomes with, they take a bit of getting used too but will give you a much better look than a loupe will. Alternatively you can always post some pictures up here for us to look at and we can give you an idea of how close you are Smile

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Posted : September 26, 2022 10:46 pm
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@bubblehok You're proving an amazing resource, thanks for taking the time to type all that out...its well received here, love the education!

I'll look into grabbing something off Amazon to help with taking pictures...so far I've had trouble lining up the loop and getting anything in focus, its been quite the pain but I might try again tomorrow just to make sure I definitely can't do it.

Again, way helpful information, thank you.  I went around tonight and cut off a bunch of fan leaves...hopefully not too many but my plants look much more in line with what I keep seeing in videos and pictures.  I'm growing outdoors here and essentially just exposed much more of the colas to the sunlight so am hoping that's going to help some in the ripening process, I had a whole canopy thing going on.  Its funny, it seems really intuitive that its the right thing to do, but I'll be danged if I can find any information as to whether or not that's the case, hence my question here.  I'm pretty sure I'm into at least week five here and past the stretch phase so hopefully I've not done too much damage.  I'll post a couple pictures tomorrow but the plants are looking really good...they seem very healthy so I don't think they're going to suffer too much.

Hah, it looks like I can just attach pictures here...is that the case?  Its night where I'm at, I'll take some tomorrow...or shoot, I could take a quick video of them, does this site allow that kind of thing? Posting links to videos?

Oh, by the way, I've just been assuming that the first day I saw hairs on my plants marked the first week of flowering.  That date was August 25th...so would I really be starting the fifth week of flowering here, or does it start earlier than when you see those first hairs?  
Thanks again Bubble =]

 
Posted : September 27, 2022 7:42 am
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@jehosaphet sweet bro happy to help, glad it's well received :). 

I think the biggest thing to remember is that the leaves are big solar panels that soak up the light and produce the energy for the plant to grow and flourish. So taking too much off can be detrimental, it really is a bit of give and take, whilst you want to keep as many on as you can it is ok to take a few off and let the light penetrative further into the canopy, at the end of the day though it's the leaves that create the energy for the buds to grow, if you just have buds and no leaves the plant will freak out and want to revert back to veg and focus on producing more leaves so it can carry on producing buds. A light defol at week 5 should help open it up and let it breathe a bit which outdoors can be beneficial in helping keep bud rot and mildew at bay because you are allowing more air movement around the buds. Some strains will be bushier than others, I have had strains I never even had to touch and others I had to keep taking leaves off because they were causing issues. The more you grow and practice the easier it will become for you to decide when tucking or defol would be more beneficial. Tucking as @macky mentioned is another excellent way to allow the light to penetrative lower without stressing the plant, the tuck method is great during stretch and for autoflowers because you don't have to worry about causing stress. But yeah always make sure your plants are healthy before causing them anymore stress.

Yes you can just post pictures straight on here via the "attach files" tab at the bottom of the dialogue box, but I would recommend starting yourself a diary so you can add all your pictures to that and have a reference of how it's all going, plus it makes it easier to keep track of if you come across a similar issue in the future. Videos can be a little hard to upload as they can be quite large files and there is a limit to how much can be uploaded per file on the forum, but if you have a YouTube account you can upload the video to your YouTube and make it private, then share the link here and only the people on percys or those who you send the link too can view it. 

I usually count the start of Flower as when the tops have started to show like a little afro of white hairs at the bud sites. This is another point of contention between growers as some will count from the day they flip lights over and others that will start counting as I do etc. I don't really count weeks of flower as such I tend more to go off when the buds are ready for harvest, ie swollen calyx, milky and amber trichomes, overall bud development essentially. Again this is something that takes time to develop as you learn how the plant grows and progresses through its stages. The more you grow the easier it gets to distinguish those phases of the plants cycle. 

I feel like a, like a slice of butter... melting on top of a big-ol' pile of flapjacks... yeah.

 
Posted : September 27, 2022 9:39 am
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youtube.com/watch?v=V8t1eqZMIf0

@bubblehok Gotcha...roger all that, I read it twice.  Never have heard of folding, I'm going to have to check into it, thank you yet again!  I'm going to try to link to the video I made...hopefully I can just pop the link right in here.  I've got my girlfriend here tonight so a little hard to focus, let me know what you think thought, would you?  

You've been way helpful here...I've done a lot of reading and watching videos but it seems like people are so quick to skip over stuff...like they've forgotten what they know what others might not.  You do really good at hitting on the details, I really appreciate it.  That being said...sure wish I'd have checked more about defoliation before I took leaves off last night, but hopefully they're healthy enough to be just fine.  

Edit: I keep trying to put in the Youtube link, it just keeps taking it off if I just paste the actual link, and posting the following if I do it through the link button up top here.  Any idea what gives?

<a title="Video" href=" removed link " target="_blank" rel="noopener"> removed link

Maybe try this: youtube.com/watch?v=V8t1eqZMIf0

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@jehosaphet I think you need to leave 50 posts on the forum before your able to post youtube links, if you notice down below your name it says how many posts you have, your on 8 so far so keep posting and you'll get there soon 🙂

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