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I spoke to our good friend Dr Grinspoon this morning. I am concerned about some of the conversations we have had on the podcast regarding covid. We are just stoners, and anything we say on Covid is simply our opinion. I would hate to think we are mis informing our audience at all, especially with something so important. 

I would like to find a Doctor to join us on the show to talk about the facts of covid. Dr Peter Grinspoon is a Doctor I trust, and his opinion matters to me because I know he is objective to the mainstream BS

I asked him to be on the show, but he is very busy right now with a big writing project (find out more when its done and he comes back on the show), so he wont be able to join us soon. But he wanted me to say hi to you all and send the following message:

Happy to discuss covid -- it's a critically important issue; my problem is I'm up against a strict deadline for my cannabis manuscript! But, this is life or death, so...happy to give you my two cents; feel free to cite or read; --

I am vaccinated; my entire family is vaccinated; all of my friends are vaccinated; everyone I work with is vaccinated; I urge all of my patients to get vaccinated -- the vaccine is extremely safe -- this is just a lot of misinformation on social media about the vaccines by people who either don't know much about this or who have a dark agenda; while nothing that we (doctors) do is 100% safe, the vaccines are actually remarkably safe and effective whereas Covid will either kill you or cause permanent disability -- it can harm your heart, your lungs and even your brain; in fact, virtually all of the people dying or ending up in the hospital are the unvaccinated (you can still get covid if you are vaccinated but it is just like a bad cold...).

It disappoints me that so many in the cannabis community have rejected science to the point of rejecting vaccines when they are one of the bright points in our society and in our fight against these horrible pandemics! Please get vaccinated -- it protects you, your family and the rest of us. And, if someone is telling you not to get vaccinated or saying wild things about the vaccines and the harms they cause, they are NOT a credible source of information..... - Peter

The media has some kind of agenda, the government does too, but I trust Dr Grinspoon. Probably more than my own doctor, he is like the stoners doctor. 

What it essentially comes down to is your personal choice. I do not want anything we say on the podcast interfering with that choice! We are just a bunch of stoner friends who enjoy chatting shit sometimes, none of us are medical professionals. Dr Grinspoon is, and a damn good one too.

So when it comes to our stance as Percys, and HOHG, we would just reiterate what Dr Grinspoon said, and leave the decision up to you, anything else we say is just opinion, do not let it interfere with any decision you make about your health Smile

Just stay safe and stay high. Do what you think is best. 

 


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Topic starter Posted : October 17, 2021 4:49 pm
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For what its worth guys - those of you who know me know I love a good conspiracy theory.. me and my partner are both fully vaccinated (pfizer & bio n tech) we got the usual heavy illness associated with vaccination but other than taking a little longer for energy reserves to come back I've had no issues.

 

Its your human right to choose, but its also our right to have the vaccine... I worry that it will cause such a divide in society soon that we'll end up in a mad max scenario. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

Jah bless each of my brothers & sisters here every day. That they remain medicated, free from harassment and prosecution. Jah's will, be what it may.

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@hg91uk someone say conspiracies? mad max situation happen once they start trying to force the rfid chips probably a solution for side effects of vaccine in a few years, advertising it as a slow releasing tablet installed in your skin, releasing vaccine doze 

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I have 4 tins of baked beans, which i dont like.  But i have 500 ounces of weed for the mad max Apocalypse. i am almost ready Smile

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Posted by: @billy420bonds

I have 4 tins of baked beans, which i dont like.  But i have 500 ounces of weed for the mad max Apocalypse. i am almost ready Smile

But could you hope to ever be as baked as said beans?

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@hg91uk The problem comes in when someone chooses not to vaccinate and becomes an asymptomatic carrier and spreads it to someone that is vulnerable and cannot be vaccinated. At that point, someone's "choice" is killing people. Should that still be a choice, when it directly affects the wellbeing of others? In Canada and basically everywhere except the USA we have universal healthcare. If someone chooses not to get a free vaccine and then ends up getting sick and being hospitalized should the rest of us taxpayers have to foot the bill?

Just a couple of things to think about.

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The problem comes in when someone chooses not to vaccinate and becomes an asymptomatic carrier and spreads it to someone that is vulnerable and cannot be vaccinated. At that point, someone's "choice" is killing people. Should that still be a choice, when it directly affects the wellbeing of others? In Canada and basically everywhere except the USA we have universal healthcare. If someone chooses not to get a free vaccine and then ends up getting sick and being hospitalized should the rest of us taxpayers have to foot the bill?

I don't know about this Bassman, if it was much more deadly I would agree, but not in this situation. 

Its a very rare case when someone can not be vaccinated. So most venerable people are vaccinated, and those who aren't are not likely to come in contact with an unvaccinated person, and if they do it is even less likely they have covid. And then if they do catch it, in the rare case of coming into contact with an unvaccinated person, who is carrying covid asymptomatically, they have a reasonably small change of dying from it still.

Its similar to saying, everyone should stop eating peanuts incase they come in contact with someone who is allergic to it. Same with citrus fruits, some people are deadly allergic to that too, and many other things. 

I don't think it is fair to force people to vaccinate. It has to be a choice. And with the right information, people will choose to do it I think. We can't just say well you MIGHT come in contact with some who you MIGHT not be able to get vaccinated and they MIGHT  die from it. because that isnt convincing anyone. 

 

 

 


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Topic starter Posted : October 17, 2021 10:51 pm
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@basssman7 all the things you have listed can still happen when you get the jab. I know more than one persons who have had the jab and still been very ill with COVID and tested positive and some who have still tested positive with no symptoms??? 🤯  also I pay my taxes and have done for decades so if I fall ill yes I’m entitled to care weather I’ve had a jab or not or a smoker or overweight as that is how a national health service works. And to imply that people who haven’t had a jab are walking round happy in killing people is insulting! Not cool bro 

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@3plantspete The viral load of vaccinated people that get covid is much smaller than that of an unvaccinated person, so it is not the same. The unvaccinated person is several times more likely to infect people than a vaccinated one. Dr. Grinspoon above agrees that very close to all the people in hospital and dying from covid are unvaccinated. Where did I say that people unvaccinated were happy to be running around killing people?  I mentioned asymptomatic people that did not know they had covid so how can they be happily running around killing people if there were not aware they had it? Accusing someone of saying something they didn't is not cool.

 

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@macky Fair enough. I sometimes assume that everyone has watched the same types of interviews with the family of people that died of covid because someone was an unknown carrier. I agree that saying maybe or what if is not very convincing, but it (the covid transmission) does happen.

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This thread isn't intended to turn into a debate lads Smile This is a very divisive topic, and we do not know enough to have real answers. 

BUT!!! Dr Bonni Goldstein does, and she will be joining us soon for a covid special. She will be able to answer our questions from a medical professional point of view, and we get to hear what an actual doctor who works in hospitals has seen and would recommend. 

Then we can all make our own well informed decision on what is right for us 


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Topic starter Posted : October 17, 2021 11:44 pm
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@macky I was just thinking about your point of there being very few people that cannot be vaccinated. Here in Canada I believe you have to be 12 years old (so far) to get the covid vaccination so that leaves a lot of people right there. Before anyone screams "but kids barely get sick from it" that is not true. With the Delta variant children can get very sick and die. Here in Canada, we have even had an otherwise healthy kid under 10 die from covid. About 13% of cases here are in children. Death is rare for kids but they can get very sick and of course spread it to others. 

If my 86 year old mother was still alive and fully vaccinated I can assure you I would not allow anyone not vaccinated near her because she was already so weakened even a mild case could have killed her. You don't think nurses, for example, should have to be vaccinated when dealing with the sick and elderly that could be too frail to survive even a mild case of covid?

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Posted by: @macky

This thread isn't intended to turn into a debate lads Smile This is a very divisive topic, and we do not know enough to have real answers. 

BUT!!! Dr Bonni Goldstein does, and she will be joining us soon for a covid special. She will be able to answer our questions from a medical professional point of view, and we get to hear what an actual doctor who works in hospitals has seen and would recommend. 

Then we can all make our own well informed decision on what is right for us 

oops, sorry. I am done then.

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@basssman7 i apologise if I took what you said wrong. But it sure as hell look like blame was trying to be passed to those who had not had the jab. Giving people something to think about? When in reality everyone is still walking round passing it about jabbed or not. So like I said I apologise if I read that wrong. ✌️

It’s all a bit too controlling for my liking, it’ll get used against people and used to suppress a minority and extract money out of people and I’m gonna be honest at the minute I’d rather die being wrong, than being involved in some massive science experiment were no one knows what’ll happen And I didn’t sign up for👊

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Valid opinions all round lads. We will get Dr Goldstein on ASAP, she will be able to clear a lot of the questions we have up im sure.


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