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A little over 3 weeks. Should the larger leaves be trimmed to allow more light into the cola?

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Topic starter Posted : December 12, 2020 8:54 pm
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Yepper, I'd probably give her a nice gentle decapitation, aka topping.. Haha. Chop the top off at the 5th or 6th node. That will allow said light to reach all the branches better and, more importantly, redirect the growth hormones to the side branches, causing them to grow faster and stronger. 1 main cola turns into 4, and so on.

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Posted : December 12, 2020 9:15 pm
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Just wanted to add that at this phase the large fan leaves are important so just do the topping and leave the other large leaves alone.

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Posted : December 12, 2020 10:35 pm
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Great advice above 👍 top but don’t defoliate yet.. you could remove the lowest fans only atm to help increase air circulation at the bottom, but if you wait a little  longer, do it when the lowest branches will make good cuttings (if you want cuttings!?) .

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Posted : December 13, 2020 9:39 am
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@jeffrey unless you have issues with high humidty I wouldn't remove nay leaves. Every peace of leave is making energy for your plants to grow. I would think about removing some bottom bud sites, but I would #LeaveTheLeaves

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Posted : December 13, 2020 4:26 pm
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I would top at 4.5" (using ruler in picture) and tie the 4 shoots down.

Could top the smaller shoots in the middle in a weeks time, going to give you a lot of tops with very little training, you could root the cutting

 

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Posted : December 13, 2020 11:10 pm
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@templegrower Thanks-I was referring to defoliation but realized it was time for topping after reading your reply. Reading other replys I have left the larger leaves for now.

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Topic starter Posted : December 14, 2020 1:47 pm
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@monkeydo Great ! Thanks ! - The question should have been to defoliate or not to defoliate ? Seems to be conflicting opinions on this topic.

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Topic starter Posted : December 14, 2020 1:50 pm
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@chillbert So do you feel there IS a good time to defoliate?

 

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Topic starter Posted : December 14, 2020 1:51 pm
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@galandil So you're of the opinion that defoliation is bad? There are two theories on this. I can certainly see the pros and cons of both. But it does make sense to not stress the plant as much as possible. Thanks !

 

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Topic starter Posted : December 14, 2020 1:58 pm
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@jacks_farm Thanks ! - Didn't quite have the nerve to go all the way down to 4.5" . I ended up topping at about 6". I haven't trained anything yet but I should- makes sense.

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Topic starter Posted : December 14, 2020 2:02 pm
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Posted by: @jeffrey

Seems to be conflicting opinions on this topic

On other sites and blogs around the internet it certainly is. At Percy’s we are really trying to get the correct message out. Only defol when it’s appropriate, the plant is going to need those leaves if you want those huge harvests of sticky buds.

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Posted : December 14, 2020 2:18 pm
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Its surprising how complex the answer to this is lol. 

To put it simply, the plant uses those leaves to make food, the more leaves it has, the more light is catches, the more food it can make. 

Now, outdoors, a plant can get all the light it needs, there is no really reason to defoliate out doors. But indoors is different. 

The leaves at the bottom of the plant, will get a lot less light than those at the top. So, it is better for the plant to have those removed at the right time. Then the plant concentrate more energy making buds, rather than fighting to keep these leaves alive, when they do not catch enough light to make enough food to feed themselves. 

Leave the plant to do its thing, top it, and train it, and try to direct the growth rather than remove leaves. When you flip to flower, and the stretch has stopped, you will see what's good to keep and what's not. 

Remove small buds sites on lower branches and small leaves, but try to leave any big fans leaves on the plant, as these are the most efficient light catchers 😉

I do not remove anything, until 2 weeks after flip. Then i do a big lolly pop and get rid of atleast 1/3 rd my plant. 

 

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Posted : December 14, 2020 2:28 pm
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@macky Great detailed info, Thanks ! Since I have an agronomic background that makes this a little easier - or maybe just more stressful !! Still - having fun with my first grow.

 

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Topic starter Posted : December 14, 2020 2:46 pm
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during the vegetation stage i try not to remove any of the fan leaves. I will top the plant at the 3rd node usually, on a short plant compared to the rest in my tent i may top up a little higher to help them stay even.  but as it grows and i do some LST ( pulling and tying branches to the side) some of the lower fans end up touching the soil  these i will remove. as i dont want my leaves touching the soil.

After i flip the plant to flower and allow 2 weeks to stretch  i will remove the lower 1/3 of the plants leaves and bud sites that dont reach this high as they will not receive enough light and allow the energy to be focused up higher where the light quality is better.  I also remove fan leaves that point inward and cover bud sites this allows better airflow through out  the plant. Try to leave as many on the plant as possible

 

 

 


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