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NewbieB
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Hello all. This is my first grow and things have been rocky to say the least. To keep things short, I found a soil recipe that turned out to be wrong in regards to notes. Consequently I first had deficiency (nitrogen), I made a Neem Seed tea that seemed to fix the problem, but when I tested the run off on the next water, my PPM shot up to 2000. I got that under control and escaped with just a little tip burn and clawing.

Fast for to week 6 of veg (i start veg after 3 weeks of being a seedling), so I repot into the final pots (5 gal) with the "recipe" I found which is basically 20 Ocean Forest, 20% superchar, 20 %worm gold plus, 20% rice hulls, Hydrocorn and a little silica soil amendment. The first time I watered after the repot with ph correct water my PPM were over 4000 🤯. I have no idea why the ppm keep going through the roof.

I needed 8 gallon total to repot and only added 6 tbls Neem Seed Meal and even less of a 2-5.5-5.5. I did the flush 2 days ago and now the plants seem to have what LOOKS to be a zinc deficiency. But I know there enough zinc, so Im assuming they had nutrient lockout, but they are getting worse by the day and have no idea where to go from here. My plan was to just give a ph watering when they dry out and check the ph and ppm of my run off. Btw, I flushed the ppm down to 1000 last time. Any advice would be highly appreciated. I'm not taking this too seriously, but I'd live to save these plants.

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Posted : October 2, 2020 6:02 pm
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Welcome to Perys mate, thanks for joining us! I think these could do with a spray of epsom salts tbf, they look at that stage, and look a little hungry for magnesium too. 

@TempleGrower is the guy to answer the questions regarding your soil, he knows his shit and can point you in the right direction Smile

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Posted : October 2, 2020 6:26 pm
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NewbieB
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@macky thanks so much. Every other forum I've tried, just had criticism. No advice or how to move forward lol, just trash talking. Not sure how this forum works technically, but I will try and tag the source you provided. Thanks again and happy growing!

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Posted : October 2, 2020 6:40 pm
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@TempleGrower don't know if you'd be so kind as to give me a little advice moving forward.

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Posted : October 2, 2020 6:41 pm
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Welcome to Percy’s mate. Ima coco grower so I’ll not give advice on your soil grow. Don’t panic, your grow doesn’t look to be in any danger at this point. I’m sure TG will check in soon. We don’t like trash talk or harassment around Percy’s so hopefully you’ll feel comfortable asking questions. There aren’t any bad questions for new growers to ask.

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Posted : October 2, 2020 6:47 pm
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@monkeydo I appreciate it and understand completely. Being a newbie, i probably should have started with coco lol. The pics aren't as clean as they should be (Android 9) but they are pretty lime green on the tops. Not really the fan leaves, but the other new leaves. They also have, at this point tiny spots starting. This just started ,(the spotting) between last night and today. I pay very close attention to my plants so I can try and be proactive. Especially with soil where things take longer to turn back in the right direction. I really have the feeling that they have nutrient lock from the PPM jumping up so high. Hopefully some regular watering will give me back a base to start from, so I can get healthy for flowering- OME DAY 🤣

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Posted : October 2, 2020 7:00 pm
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Welcome to Percy's man....your in the right place to get help. We are a super friendly forum and there is no bad questions so dont hesitate to ask. As for your plants they dont look so bad but being proactive is very good. TG will be the guy for you for sure tho. 

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Posted : October 2, 2020 7:12 pm
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Posted by: @newbieb

Every other forum I've tried, just had criticism

man, i have read this alot this week!!! WTF is going on out there!!! Youre welcome here mate, you wont find any of that shit at Percys Smile

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Posted : October 2, 2020 10:45 pm
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@NewbieB 3 weeks veg in a hot soil should have more than enough food for the plants, guess the root mass has not filled the pots yet.

sounds like your giving the plants way too much food at this stage.

you can wait for @TempleGrower if you want but I am a soil grower and have been for a long time and my advice would be to flush the soil (double the pot size with tap water if its between 6 -7)

(6.5 idea but your cleaning the roots to reduce the EC build up in the root mass so it will still do the job)

It could take 5 to 7 days before you need to water the plants again.

Use the nutes little and often (50% or less strength )  

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Posted : October 2, 2020 11:08 pm
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@jacks_farm thanks for coming in- really appreciate it. I may have been confusing in my original post, but the plants are in week 6 of veg (I started after them turning 3 weeks) and originally they started out in Happy Frog. The recipe called for me to just add more and more Ocean Forest as I potted up. So they were replanted for example the 1st time into 75% Happy Frog and 25% Ocean Forest,  then 50-50 etc.

The instructions were to just hit it with some compost tea every other watering and that I wouldn't need to feed until right before Flower. I planned on switching them in 2 more weeks, which would have been 8 weeks total in veg. So anyways, they were thriving until around week 4, when they obviously becoming Nitrogen deficient. They started slowly losing color and the bottom leaves took all of the damage. My PPM at this point was a mere 250- 300 and the plants were getting huge after the first hit of Boogie Brew tea.

So I made a very mild Neem Seed tea that topped out at 400 PPM and the run off was around 600. But then the next time I watered, the runoff was around 2k 🤯 So I flushed them just enough to get the PPm down to 450. They seemed to be doing fine but started drinking water like crazy (went from every 3 to everyday in 3 gal) thats when I made the mix described in my original post.

I figured it was time and they needed to eat as they were starting to lose color again. I even took some of the new medium and tested run off on it and it was only 750 ppm. The very first time I watered, the ppm shot up to over 4k. I flushed them with ph'd water until the ppm got down to 1k. Thats where I'm at now. Waiting for them to dry out the first time since the flush. I hope all this made sense. They should dry out by Sunday.

My plan was to test the ppm and ph (which my ph has been 6.5 on average). So now I'm wondering, if they don't die 🤣 (they are getting spotty by the day) how would I go about feeding them from here on out. I did flush, but Im thinking about the slow release notes that are still in there and such?  Is this indeed nute lockout and hence the yellowing of just the top leaves? Some of the fan leaves are slightly spotted, not many, but the overall color is lime green on the other leaves.

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Posted : October 3, 2020 12:14 am
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8 weeks in veg is a very long time and 
when you turn them over to flower there going
to double in size or more, will you have space in the flower room ?

The spots on the leaves sounds like a root problem, could be over watering or lockout

deficients can happen but it more common to be a diffent problem.
wih good quality soil you can grow a canbis plant from start to finish without add any extra nutes
If your plants running out of food in veg how bigs the root mass going to be in mid flower ?
you may need to pot up and flower them off soon asap

I would buy some biobizz grow and bloom
and use it half strength.

also you can use some epson salt mag/cal


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Posted : October 3, 2020 1:01 am
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@jacks_farm Beings this was my first time, I just went with the seed companies (Cannuk) times these strains would veg. Super rookie in hindsight, but I have been diligent in LST anticipated the stretch. I have plenty of room still. I'm running a few Spider Farmer 2k so they are very flat and Ill be able to pull them almost all the way up to the top of the 6ft tent. So thanks so much for the root info. They have been raised in fabric pots, and I always wait until the leaves start to drop and the pots are light before watering. But I never thought about the roots getting too big. I will most definitely go with at least 7 Gallon. 10 gallon would be pushing it space wise. And Epsom salts- got it. I bought some Cal Mag, but then found out before I used it, that it would kill the microbiology, so I've never supplemented Cal/Mag 

And I will definitely research the bio biz. O would like to thank you so much for taking time out of your life to give me some advice. It is truly appreciated!

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Posted : October 3, 2020 1:58 am
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Hey bother, welcome to Percy's. What do your temps and rh readings look like? Have you checked temps in your soil? how about your water temp? Have you dialed in your environment?

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Posted : October 3, 2020 10:47 am
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@galandil hey bro. Yes sir. I live in Georgia, so I still have the lights off most if the daytime hours. Averaging between 75 - 77°F. The rh stays between 50-60, so I planned to order a dehumidifier before flower to get that down some. My tds meter has temp also, so my water is always around 73° F as well. I have NOT however checked the temp of my soil. I actually never considered it. Just like a newb 🤣. But basically my environment stays pretty much perfect without much effort on my behalf because of where we live. 

When the plants woke up yesterday, 3 of them seem to be looking a little more happy, and 1 of them has gotten worse just in the 7 hours the lights were off. Its getting even lighter lime green and the tiny brownish spots are getting more prevalent. If I had to guess, maybe I did a decent job in flushing, except for maybe the one plant? I remember 1 of them being around almost 1200, but I figured I didn't want them deficient either. They should be dry by tomorrow I would assume. It was Tuesday when they were flushed. The 3 that are looking better are actually getting a bit TOO green.,, but no signs of nute burn yet. I left them between 1k-1100 at the flush. Im thinking, Ill start with the worst looking plant and hopefully the ppm will have dropped since Tuesday. If you have any other suggestions mobing forward, Im all ears 👂 

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Posted : October 3, 2020 12:40 pm
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@newbieb just try and keep things consistent for a while mate, the plants will djust and get settled to what they are in. The more you change things, the more it confuses the plants. So just water for a few feeds, at 6.5 ph, and we will see how they are in a few days. We should know then if they need more or less food and what they need Smile

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Posted : October 3, 2020 2:39 pm
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