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Whispererofweed
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Hello and Merry Christmas to y'all. I'm a new medical legal grower in Missouri. And out of all the site's I've read information from about growing, all the videos I've watched. I'm really glad I found this site. As I've already experienced some problems within my first grow and only at day 33, 32, and day 22 with 4 different plants. Read some bad info from Grower's choice were I obtained my seeds from. Their site says to keep your humidity at 75% with veg stage. Which has only caused difficulties, first by discovering I had Fungas Gnat's. Followed the advice given 4 days ago, and added diatomaceous earth to the first so many inches of the soil, some sticky traps to catch any. And going to let them dry out to a slight wilt showing. Then had one of my Gorilla Glue Autoflowers showing a calcium deficiency. Which it started showing two weeks ago right before my Cal mag came in the mail. Slowly been trimming off the big leaves that show signs with the brown rust spots. It's beginning to have a lot of new small growth and so far looking pretty good. Though normally where you skip your nutrients every other watering, I was thinking about adding the Cal mag again to this plants next watering. 

I used to grow a little bit outdoors. Which threw research I have found out is completely different than indoors. So many variables that can affect your growth and your yields with indoor grows. So I appreciate y'all having this site and forum, and looking forward to becoming a good indoor grower from experienced people with skipping all the misinformation that you go through searching so many different site's online, and unfortunately that pertains to a lot of different subjects. 

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Posted : December 21, 2019 2:20 pm
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Hey there Med, nice to have you. I'm a MED grower up in Canada. And yeah, 75% seems a bit much IMO..maybe for seedlings but not in veg. I usually run round 55%, if I can keep it there... too much water in the air will slow the plant's respiration, as it needs to be able to 'exhale'. Plus, like you said, Fungus Gnats (and other nastier things) tend to prefer a nice moist environment to live and breed in so, best not to have excess if you can help it. I grow in supersoil, and have had fungus gnats pretty much perpetually, in various concentrations. I find predatory nematodes (Steinernema feltia) work extremely well for my situation.. maybe you could try and source some nearby.

And yes, you are 100% correct regarding outdoors - whole different ball game, haha. I ran 8 plants over this past summer and while my inputs were less (rainwater, sunlight, etc.), there were a lot of other things to consider (bugs, washing the dirty bud, hail storms, etc.). Good times though.

We have all kinds of growers here tho - exclusively indoor hydro ppl, lotsa coco, ppl like myself who run soil in both indoor/outdoor, and some exclusively outdoor guys so, no matter what we should have someone who can help out in some way or another.. ? 

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Posted : December 21, 2019 4:46 pm
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Welcome to Percy's! You definitely found the right place to up ones growing knowledge and the bonus is..its a great community here ?

Throw up some pics if ya can!

The only down side to indoor is no 10foot monsters like outdoors ?

Happy growing!

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Posted : December 21, 2019 4:51 pm
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Welcome to Percys MedicalMO there are a couple of us Missouri Boys  in here growing medical, Since finding Percys I rarely bother with the other groups too much bad info. There are alot of great people and growers here and a lack of BS.

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Posted : December 21, 2019 4:55 pm
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welcome to Percys mate, make yourself at home, I see TG is already looking after you Smile

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Welcome to the house of fun m8

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Hey med and welcome, you get amazing advice here, I’m new myself but the guys have put me right every step so far and I’ve had a fair few booboos along the road, I’m on my third grow now and haven’t got them past seedling stage with any of the previous attempts  but ?? this will be the one to succeed. And it will be all Down to this page.

Best of luck with the grow  buddy and Merry Christmas ? 

"Don't judge each day by the harvest you reap but by the seeds that you plant."
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Posted : December 21, 2019 10:00 pm
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@mossbeardmitch

Thanks. I should get some new pics. The one's I have on my phone are Dec 11. Is this first one. Definitely not going to get the size I wanted for my first indoor. But hopefully I'll get there.

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@mossbeardmitch

This is a couple days later of my one that's at day 33 now. A Mexican Haze. Which with the first reply, the smallest is another MH that was germinated late due to some others not germinating. The other two at day 32 now, are supposed to Gorilla Glue Autoflowers. But I don't think they're the same strain. With close up pics it might show better. Though growing outdoors a time or two, so much says different strain. Makes me cautious of getting seeds from Grower's Choice again. But I liked the fact it was an easy transaction, as some of the other companies are not. A lot of different payment methods I don't understand. LOL. I hope I'm adding these pics in the right place. I'll get some new ones tommorow. 

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Thanks. I have two green thumbs, I grow a lot of flowers/plants, or used to grow more. LOL. So hopefully skipping out so much misinformation, i can get fully lined out and get some good growing going. But I still have to get supplies just for having a veg area only. Right now just a 8 × 9' room set up, and then that again. 

Best wishes to ya

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Thanks. I need to get time to read a lot of the other posts on the site. 

Best wishes to ya

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Thanks.

Best wishes to ya

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Thanks. I'm sure mine would be a little bigger if I wasn't pumping them so much humidity previously. But I've had it good for 4 days now lol guess we'll see how this first one goes. 

Best wishes to ya

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My friend i was doing some more research on trying to get rid of these Fungus Gnat's. Or get them under better control. And a few sources have suggested flushing the soil with a 4 to 1 solution of ph 'd water and 3% hydrogen peroxide. It's been their sixth day since their last watering and adding the diatomaceous earth to the first so many inches of soil. And I believe I discovered a big part of my problem was our soil to begin with. Even though it's a expert choice potting mix from Lowe's and one of their better brands, it has an amount of wood bark in it, which of course holds the moisture longer and possibly even where a lot of the bugs come from. Where I also read it's good to get your dirt in the summertime and lay it all out on a big tarp where the sun can bake it with hot temperatures for about 3 days, because almost All souls you buy have bugs. and supposedly a couple of days in the high heat and hard sun-bake kills them all out.  Bag it all back up and save it for when you need it. I had thought about the foxfarm brands of soil but they're so expensive, and I'm always working on a budget. And I was wondering with three of my plants in their fourth week going into their fifth. Instead of just doing the hydrogen peroxide water flush, transplant them into fresh dirt in different pot's. Which I have five other bags of that same type of soil, though I was thinking of running it through a screen system and get rid of all the pieces of bark. Do a new mix with 70soil/30 perlite and adding sand with the diatomaceous earth throughout the entire mix. If not this time when I get my new veg plants started, that is definitely how I'm going to do my next pot's. Especially because I need another 4 to 6 started by the end of January. So they can be ready to flower in two months or so when these presently growing should be ready to harvest by March. 

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My friend i was doing some more research on trying to get rid of these Fungus Gnat's. Or get them under better control. And a few sources have suggested flushing the soil with a 4 to 1 solution of ph 'd water and 3% hydrogen peroxide. It's been their sixth day since their last watering and adding the diatomaceous earth to the first so many inches of soil. And I believe I discovered a big part of my problem was our soil to begin with. Even though it's a expert choice potting mix from Lowe's and one of their better brands, it has an amount of wood bark in it, which of course holds the moisture longer and possibly even where a lot of the bugs come from. Where I also read it's good to get your dirt in the summertime and lay it all out on a big tarp where the sun can bake it with hot temperatures for about 3 days, because almost All souls you buy have bugs. and supposedly a couple of days in the high heat and hard sun-bake kills them all out.  Bag it all back up and save it for when you need it. I had thought about the foxfarm brands of soil but they're so expensive, and I'm always working on a budget. And I was wondering with three of my plants in their fourth week going into their fifth. Instead of just doing the hydrogen peroxide water flush, transplant them into fresh dirt in different pot's. Which I have five other bags of that same type of soil, though I was thinking of running it through a screen system and get rid of all the pieces of bark. Do a new mix with 70soil/30 perlite and adding sand with the diatomaceous earth throughout the entire mix. If not this time when I get my new veg plants started, that is definitely how I'm going to do my next pot's. Especially because I need another 4 to 6 started by the end of January. So they can be ready to flower in two months or so when these presently growing should be ready to harvest by March. 

Yeah, so that's definitely some good research. The hydrogen peroxide will likely work, although I tend to avoid it in my soil as it's non-selective and will roast basically anything living in the soil, good or bad (and I've read it can damage new tender rootlings). I inoculate my soil with mycorrhizal fungi, as well as dose with a compost tea, and have nematodes swimming around, so I need to preserve all the microbial life that I can. But if you're not concerned with the microbes though, peroxide could be a decent choice. Make sure not to mix too strong though.. I know the roots can get damaged if it's too potent so, be careful. I've personally used Safers End All (potassium salts and a teeny bit of pyrethrin) as a soil drench, and it seemed to work quite well and killed a lot of the larvae, although it can start to reduce drainage and clog up your soil if used too much. I still stand my my nematodes as the best treatment.. ?.

And yeah, you're probably right about your soil being the source - insect eggs/fungal spores are pretty hardy, and even the best sterilization can miss some. You're right though in that the sun can help to clean it up... I believe it's the UV radiation that the fungus spores and insect eggs don't really like. Also why UVC lamps can be used for sterilization.

I've thought about adding diatomaceous earth into my soil mix as well, but from what I've read, it's only effective when it's dry, and, assuming I keep up with watering, my soil is never that dry so I've always figured it would be ineffective used as such. I could be wrong though. The sand won't do much for you in the mix however, besides help with drainage. Sand is generally applied to the surface to make it more difficult for the gnats to dig their way through and lay their eggs/emerge from the surface.

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