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Bandit
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Is this product any good or should I save it for general house plants? 

My plants apparently lack nitrogen would this help or am I taking a risk?

Ordered something online but could take weeks to arrive. 🙄 

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Topic starter Posted : November 4, 2020 6:36 am
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It is high in nitrogen so itll help. What are you using currently? 


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Posted : November 4, 2020 9:30 am
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@macky thx for response 

I bought these from a hydro store as pictured and have started adding  Seasol as well to weekly nutes also sprays. I haven't used much nutes yet plants don't seem lush unfortunately but anyhow posting week 6 tomorrow in Auto Forum. 

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Topic starter Posted : November 4, 2020 9:50 am
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Whats the link to your diary mate ill take a look later Smile


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Posted : November 4, 2020 9:52 am
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Looks like dry food you add to make a soil mix for out door plants with slow releases food, its not a great idea using this plant food.

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Posted : November 4, 2020 10:02 am
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@macky https://percysgrowroom.com/forum/auto-flowering-grow-diaries/

Just learned how to copy link but it didn't quite work. Its Week5 x8 AutoPounder

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Topic starter Posted : November 4, 2020 10:06 am
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@bandit

hello bandit . so  you dont state what you are growing in and do you provide all the nutrition? 

just so I can give a proper answer is that it had to be stated my advice goes with that you are using a 12 mineral mininmun complete solution.  N P K Ca Mg S Fe Mn B Cu Z Mo . if you  miss one your plant dies .

So any formula that contain these nutrients will be fine. the differnce between a veg formula and a bloom formula is in a veg the nitrogen ( N ) to potassium  (K) ratio is 1 to 1 and in a bloom solution it is 1.5 K to 1 M . The vast majority of fruiting vegetables or plants will respond the same.  it is more rare than not that one may need a different ratio or supplement.  .

the only variance in  a formula is the type or ratio of nitrogen.  Nitrate nitrogen ( NO3) Is what you want the major source to be calcium nitrate is the most common ad per MASTER BLEND AND JACKS ,  . it is the A  part to thr B which has all the other  11 minerals . The only reason you have  a A AND B is to keep the calcium away from the phosphate because in CONCENTRATION it will form water insoluble calcium phosphate removing both of those from your solution and adding gunky clay clogging up system.  There is also ammonical nitrate ( NH4) such as in ammonical nitrogen.  it is unregulated by the plant and all of it is taken and can cause very fast unhealthy growth.  it is normally used as 4 nitrate to 1 ammonical nitrate.  When you use  organic manuress they have a high level of ammonical nitrogen as well as nitrate nitrogen.  

magnesium sulphate is sometimes added as a 3rd part of what should be a 2 part as there is absolutely no reason why it should not be just in the B part other then to make the formula look for complicated? maybe? the magnesium requirements of weed is around half of calcium and sulphur.  normal ratio is about 2 parts sulphur to 2  parts calcium to 1 part magnesium. 

my formulas I make are 222 ppm calcium 88 parts magnesium and 196 ppm sulphur. I can post mine to make your own if your want .I will put it below.  

I can make 20 liter or 5 gallon 100 to 1 stock solutions for about 10$ cdn a pair .so 20$ to make a pair of bloom and veg . they have always performed excellent over 30 years. 

One thing about nutrient is they are needed at EQUAL proportions( as in formula)  to each other at all times. there is NO time when the plant will take one mineral and NOT take up the other 11 in there normal proportions. 

if you feel they need nitrogen then they need ALL minerals.  DONT add just one add the whole formula and your standard feed solution.  in fact if you feel there is an imbalance ( too much OR too little) the best solution is just to flush the media with a fresh solution pushingiut out the old unbalanced solution.  the nutrients are cheap compared to 5our time spent  and the plant itself. 

 when watering /feeding you should be paying close attention to the runoff solution.  it will tell you what is happening in the medium .The runoff solution should NEVER be more than doub3m the feed solution and run more in the 25 to 50% more ec than the feed .

example feed 800 PPM runoff 1000 to 1200

 if it ever hits double or 1600ppm you need to flush the media with enough balanced solution to lower the EC back to normal. need to flush out the old but also replace it with new .

good luck my friend 

am posting formulas below. there are several companies that sell base nutrient. 

dont pay for water. MASTER BLEND  and JACKS both come in dry form that you can make into concentrated stock solutions.

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Posted : November 17, 2020 10:06 pm
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@johnsmith559 i would kill to have your experience and knowledge thanks for sharing. I live in the middle of no where and didn't know where to start and finding products i rely on online alot. 

I didn't end up using that product after posting here and getting advice but ended up using Nitrosol along with organic liquid nutrients from hydro store. And Seasol. But I see the guys on YouTube with awesome grows adding all the different powders etc absolutely intriguing as is your post

Definitely don't have my proportions right and the girls have suffered and had the lighting too high all along but they somehow survived. I didn't add nutes first 4 weeks following YouTube video on a particular grow. Started with very weak mix once a week. Getting more confident to add nutes recently adding Nitrosol has made a huge difference so now here following more personalised advice i have increase nutes to half strength and will do every second water and see what happens 

They stunted early on but are growing now. 

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I have a diary in Auto Forum called Autopounder x8 week 5 but doesn't look like they are Autos at week 8 this week Fri. 

https://percysgrowroom.com/forum/auto-flowering-grow-diaries/autopounder-x8-now-5-weeks/#post-37822

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Topic starter Posted : November 17, 2020 10:59 pm
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@macky

https://percysgrowroom.com/forum/auto-flowering-grow-diaries/autopounder-x8-now-5-weeks/#post-37822

Finally learned how

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Topic starter Posted : November 17, 2020 11:07 pm
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@bandit

hello 

do you have a ec meter ? most of those botties are not necessary ..they are exactly I would steer you away from.  

here is a rule ..if you do not have a baseline to compare to how do you know what works or does anything ? 

using a  basic inexpensive 2 part 12 mineral solution will produce 95 to 99% of the results of any additives ...period.  no supplements, flushing compounds , anything.  

inconsistency in growing will far exceed any gains made by a fancy nutrient or a supplement..get a few crops with basics.  keep them looking green and perfect right through a couple crops . get yield and quality that you feel is consistent.  then contemplate using a supplement.  I am extremely confident you will find little change other than a reduction in your wallet contents 

any questions, any time .I am very happy to help 

john

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Posted : November 17, 2020 11:21 pm
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can you take a screen shot of the ingredients on each of those please? your plants are definitely showing severe deficiencies..

I looked up NItrosal and it is cow and sheep tea

 it claims AMD NPK of 8 2 6? I think. but regardless you now need to account for calcium magnesium and sulphur and your Trace iron, manganese, boron , zinc , copper and molybdenum. 

I personally kno3 if you got a basic 2 part complete and did a complete flush with them your plants would look 100% better the next day. when plants are deficient it makes them susceptible to root rot or other infections.  things can snowball bad fast .I feel so strongly and confident about this I would Damn near by them for you and if theyr worked you could pay me back and if not you got free nutrient lol

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Posted : November 17, 2020 11:38 pm
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@johnsmith559

I bought an expensive pulse meter pic below but I don't understand it nor know how to read EC but I will research it something that got neglected with all else to do and learn. Obviously an important element of the progress

So where would I find the minerals you mentioned? Hardware store i guess? I am not in USA and will probably need to buy off the net but often can't get US products promoted by others just not practical to mail order from there. Getting products is awkward here where I am but not impossible usually a days trip to a physical shop. Might have to make a list for another grow and travel to the city errrrrrrrr. 

 

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Topic starter Posted : November 18, 2020 12:11 am
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will Google pulse meter ..nursery supply and such.  hardware stores not so.much .I am in Canada in ontario . where are u ? I can look online.  master blend or Jack's is on amazon with free delivery usually . 

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Posted : November 18, 2020 12:20 am
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@johnsmith559 i am in Australia in the bush but have PO delivery. Anything I order will take a couple of weeks even longer off Amazon 

The girls did improve since using Seasol and Nitrosol 

 

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Topic starter Posted : November 18, 2020 12:30 am
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so when you water do you flush them good ? lits of running off ? take your ec meter and just put it in the feed solution and do the same with the runoff.  any ec pen works by sending a millivolt. charge  cross 2 electrodes and a chip converts that to a reading.  no matter the scale ppm , EC , microsemeins, and a couple more. they are all just an equation from each other like km/mph or c/f . same probe . same chip.

we will be able to see how much electrically conducive material your feeding and we will be able to see if that is building up . a high ec from an incompetent solution is still bad and actually much    worse . 

I should have realized Australia as I had never seen nutrient listed like that with the citrate available phosphorus level.  

 

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